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The tide is turning on Trump

471 replies

ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 17:30

  1. CNN now, poll shows majority of Americans disapprove of Trump.
  1. Commentator stated that Trump spoke about his several conversations with Putin and alarm bells ring, because Trump is parroting what Putin says. No independent thoughts?
  1. He comes over as having memory problems. He forgets what he said earlier.
  1. He needs help running press conferences and appears unable to manage without support.

Is he ill?

It's very odd.

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Mielikki · 04/03/2025 09:10

Dymaxion · 04/03/2025 08:36

He’s just announced he’s not only stopping all aid to Ukraine, but has instructed the aid already on the way and nearly there to turn back.

Can he actually do that ? like immediately make decisions like this without any input from the government ? I know he can say he is doing this , but how does that translate into actually doing it IYSIM ?

Yes he can. The president has almost total executive power. He is also in the process of making political appointments in agencies that have traditionally been staffed by non-political career civil servants. Just look at the purge he is running on the FBI at the moment, clearly with the aim of staffing it with loyalists who will act as his Praetorian guard.

He can and will ignore court orders. He has appointed a loyalist to lead the US Marshal Service who are tasked with enforcing federal court decisions so clearly no court decisions will ever be enforced against him or his cronies.

He will ignore the congressional appropriations process if it goes against him and fund the government directly from the Treasury.

The checks and balances in the constitution have no teeth.

Donotgogentle · 04/03/2025 09:16

Mielikki · 04/03/2025 09:10

Yes he can. The president has almost total executive power. He is also in the process of making political appointments in agencies that have traditionally been staffed by non-political career civil servants. Just look at the purge he is running on the FBI at the moment, clearly with the aim of staffing it with loyalists who will act as his Praetorian guard.

He can and will ignore court orders. He has appointed a loyalist to lead the US Marshal Service who are tasked with enforcing federal court decisions so clearly no court decisions will ever be enforced against him or his cronies.

He will ignore the congressional appropriations process if it goes against him and fund the government directly from the Treasury.

The checks and balances in the constitution have no teeth.

I agree about enforcement of Court orders.

It’s not clear that Trump will comply with any adverse Supreme Court ruling and how the Supreme Court will assert authority if he does not.

So much of democracy hinges on all parties respecting the constitution.

YankTank · 04/03/2025 09:16

SallyWD · 04/03/2025 08:57

Horrible - so those in Gaza can just starve to death?

Don’t worry—they’ll soon be shipped out to neighbouring countries to make space for Trump’s beachfront casino.

AshKeys · 04/03/2025 09:17

That would be the FBI who allowed someone to shoot at him despite being warned? I think I would purge then too.

Wildflowers99 · 04/03/2025 09:19

Swiftie1878 · 04/03/2025 09:06

Don’t get me wrong, I can’t stand the man, but you can’t broker peace without enticing both sides to the table. He HAS to speak to Putin and convince him there’s a worthwhile conversation to be had.

This ‘point of view’ is so frustrating.

There is no negotiation to be done with Putin. He has broken ceasefires upwards of 20 times, Donbas didn’t stop him, Crimea didn’t stop him. He has been taught that if he eases off the gas for a few minutes that’s enough, and he can simply press it back down after a short period has elapsed and there will be no repercussions.

This has reached a stage now where any more ‘negotiation’ with him will be a further green light to continue invading, in fact it’ll pass his stress test that even when we throw everything at it we are unable to stop him.

YankTank · 04/03/2025 09:20

Swiftie1878 · 04/03/2025 09:06

Don’t get me wrong, I can’t stand the man, but you can’t broker peace without enticing both sides to the table. He HAS to speak to Putin and convince him there’s a worthwhile conversation to be had.

Right…both sides at the table. That would include Zelensky, no?

AshKeys · 04/03/2025 09:21

It just shows how bad the democrats were that the American voters decided Trump was better. The blame for Trump getting in lands squarely on the democrats.

Swiftie1878 · 04/03/2025 09:25

Wildflowers99 · 04/03/2025 09:19

This ‘point of view’ is so frustrating.

There is no negotiation to be done with Putin. He has broken ceasefires upwards of 20 times, Donbas didn’t stop him, Crimea didn’t stop him. He has been taught that if he eases off the gas for a few minutes that’s enough, and he can simply press it back down after a short period has elapsed and there will be no repercussions.

This has reached a stage now where any more ‘negotiation’ with him will be a further green light to continue invading, in fact it’ll pass his stress test that even when we throw everything at it we are unable to stop him.

People said that about the IRA, and yet we managed to secure the Good Friday Agreement.
Of course negotiation needs to happen. The only questions are about what each side is prepared to ‘give’ in those talks.
The war cannot continue forever. Ukraine can’t fund it, and its allies either can’t or won’t continue to fill the gap forever.

CheckoutChump · 04/03/2025 09:25

Wildflowers99 · 04/03/2025 08:14

Agree. I think he expected more simpering, or for the European countries to distance themselves a bit. Not all meet up in London without him and go straight into action. Shows the difference in leadership quality doesn’t it. I think this week is the first time I’ve been proud to be British.

I think he’s not bothered. He cared more the US were sinking millions into an EU war and thought the EU wasn’t paying their way. Now they’re all talking about upping their spending.

It’s the same MO as he did with WHO etc. when he thinks the US is getting a bad deal.

No-one wants to Ukraine to give up territory but it’s also not realistic to think the current situation is sustainable.

Swiftie1878 · 04/03/2025 09:26

YankTank · 04/03/2025 09:20

Right…both sides at the table. That would include Zelensky, no?

Of course! Both sides - Russia and Ukraine.
They’ll need mediators though, of course, or they’ll get nowhere.

Wildflowers99 · 04/03/2025 09:26

Swiftie1878 · 04/03/2025 09:25

People said that about the IRA, and yet we managed to secure the Good Friday Agreement.
Of course negotiation needs to happen. The only questions are about what each side is prepared to ‘give’ in those talks.
The war cannot continue forever. Ukraine can’t fund it, and its allies either can’t or won’t continue to fill the gap forever.

The Good Friday agreement would be utterly useless in this context. We’re talking about an independent country here, not something trying to become independent, why the hell should they give up anything? Do we just lob Putin a 100 mile stretch of land every time he sends a tank our way?

nearlylovemyusername · 04/03/2025 09:27

PandaTime · 04/03/2025 01:43

Give it time. When Americans continue to live and die in poverty, and suffer because they cannot afford medical treatment, and the cost of living increases while pay and job opportunity stays low, and the fingers of blame turn to point at the poorest and weakest of society because there are no immigrants or wars to blame it on anymore, they might finally wake up and realise how fucking corrupt their country is. The rich will get richer while the poor keep suffering.

That's the issue - he's mostly popular with either super rich (Magnificent Seven seem to fully support and fund him) or lower social layers. Electoral campaign funded by former managed to brain wash sufficient numbers of latter to vote for him and it's very unlikely to change. After Trump there will be Vance who is even worse.

It's beyond me why liberal forces aren't learning and applying the same propaganda technics. Wasn't this obvious after Brexit that to sneer at people and call them stupid (even when they obviously are stupid) isn't enough to change their voting intentions? And this is exactly what Putin/Farage/Trump/AfD/etc are doing - they tell a story and say "we hear you and we are here for you". And turkeys happily vote for Christmas. As demonstrated by some pps on this thread.

I wouldn't bet a broken penny on situation in US changing in foreseeable future. I am VERY concerned that groups of oligarchs will apply their methods and install the likes of Trump here

YankTank · 04/03/2025 09:28

Swiftie1878 · 04/03/2025 09:26

Of course! Both sides - Russia and Ukraine.
They’ll need mediators though, of course, or they’ll get nowhere.

But the previous talks last week included Trump & Putin, and excluded Zelensky. They came up with the deal for Zelensky to sign at the White House last week…..

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 04/03/2025 09:29

AshKeys · 04/03/2025 09:21

It just shows how bad the democrats were that the American voters decided Trump was better. The blame for Trump getting in lands squarely on the democrats.

I'm so fucking fed up of people blaming the left for the rise of the far right.

No, no, no.

The left failed undoubtedly, but fascism was not the only alternative. It was the American right that chose Trump as their candidate and it was the American right that elected him. None of it was inevitable. People need to own their choices.

Swiftie1878 · 04/03/2025 09:29

Wildflowers99 · 04/03/2025 09:26

The Good Friday agreement would be utterly useless in this context. We’re talking about an independent country here, not something trying to become independent, why the hell should they give up anything? Do we just lob Putin a 100 mile stretch of land every time he sends a tank our way?

They shouldn’t HAVE to give anything up, but life isn’t fair and they are going to end up doing so to stop the fighting. The sooner that is done, the more lives will be saved.

I HATE this too. I hate Putin, can’t stand Trump and feel huge sympathy with Ukraine and its people. But three years in, the fighting and deaths have to stop.

BeardofHagrid · 04/03/2025 09:30

I totally get now why Zelenskyy 🇺🇦🥰 called JD a suka (bitch) in the Oval Office on Friday.

$lava Ukraini 🇺🇦💪🥰 Give us our aid back 😡

StandFirm · 04/03/2025 09:31

Mielikki · 04/03/2025 09:10

Yes he can. The president has almost total executive power. He is also in the process of making political appointments in agencies that have traditionally been staffed by non-political career civil servants. Just look at the purge he is running on the FBI at the moment, clearly with the aim of staffing it with loyalists who will act as his Praetorian guard.

He can and will ignore court orders. He has appointed a loyalist to lead the US Marshal Service who are tasked with enforcing federal court decisions so clearly no court decisions will ever be enforced against him or his cronies.

He will ignore the congressional appropriations process if it goes against him and fund the government directly from the Treasury.

The checks and balances in the constitution have no teeth.

Yes, and there is a word to describe a country like that.

Wildflowers99 · 04/03/2025 09:31

Swiftie1878 · 04/03/2025 09:29

They shouldn’t HAVE to give anything up, but life isn’t fair and they are going to end up doing so to stop the fighting. The sooner that is done, the more lives will be saved.

I HATE this too. I hate Putin, can’t stand Trump and feel huge sympathy with Ukraine and its people. But three years in, the fighting and deaths have to stop.

How? Given negotiation is proven futile?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 04/03/2025 09:32

Swiftie1878 · 04/03/2025 09:29

They shouldn’t HAVE to give anything up, but life isn’t fair and they are going to end up doing so to stop the fighting. The sooner that is done, the more lives will be saved.

I HATE this too. I hate Putin, can’t stand Trump and feel huge sympathy with Ukraine and its people. But three years in, the fighting and deaths have to stop.

You feel huge sympathy for Ukraine but think they should surrender their sovereignty and allow a chunk of their population to live under a dictator in s totalitarian state? Because life isn't fair?

nearlylovemyusername · 04/03/2025 09:32

AshKeys · 04/03/2025 09:17

That would be the FBI who allowed someone to shoot at him despite being warned? I think I would purge then too.

Unless it was staged by Trump himself. And then use it as an excuse for purge. "To focus on enemy within" - it's Stalin's words.

This was a pretty unique skill to shot in the ear and not touch anything else. I don't believe for a second it was assasination.

letsallchant · 04/03/2025 09:33

Kendodd · 04/03/2025 09:01

Bottom line.
I don't think a war, thousands of miles away that America isn't involved in with get Trump out. The Proud Boys were marching chanting Putins name before the election after all.
It's the price of eggs that'll harm Trump in America.

This. I'd love it to be different but we're way too early in his term for Americans to turn on him. It takes time.

Domestic and particularly economic policy is what does the damage. When the tariffs send prices shooting up then doubts will gather. They might then be accelerated by people thinking 'hm, all this talk of making deals and being a master negotiator and yet nothing has come of it'. But we're a way off that yet.

I think Starmer is doing the best thing possible from a set of not great options in the meantime. Stalling and keeping things as stable as possible is the path for now. Cool heads needed.

BeardofHagrid · 04/03/2025 09:34

SallyWD · 04/03/2025 08:57

Horrible - so those in Gaza can just starve to death?

DUkraine is far more important than Gaza now. The entire structure of our planet just changed because of what Potus tweeted. All must be for DUkraine now including our GDPs.

🇺🇦💪🥰

Liz1tummypain · 04/03/2025 09:34

In my dreams. He's such a numpty. Can't believe the leader of the " free world" is making things easy for the Russian dictator.

AshKeys · 04/03/2025 09:35

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 04/03/2025 09:29

I'm so fucking fed up of people blaming the left for the rise of the far right.

No, no, no.

The left failed undoubtedly, but fascism was not the only alternative. It was the American right that chose Trump as their candidate and it was the American right that elected him. None of it was inevitable. People need to own their choices.

He didn’t get voted in by the right, he got voted in by swing voters who looked at the democrats (who are still pretty right wing by European standards) with their luxury beliefs funded by the mega-rich being imposed on them including their kids in school, and their creeping censorship and then looked at Trump and decided he was the better option.

Barleysugar86 · 04/03/2025 09:36

The thing is Trump has also thrown the masses some wins - like reversing gender changes in passports- which affect people's life almost zero unless they are trans, but to which people will forgive him all kinds of the important 'big' stuff, like his cosying up with big corporations and Russia.