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The tide is turning on Trump

471 replies

ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 17:30

  1. CNN now, poll shows majority of Americans disapprove of Trump.
  1. Commentator stated that Trump spoke about his several conversations with Putin and alarm bells ring, because Trump is parroting what Putin says. No independent thoughts?
  1. He comes over as having memory problems. He forgets what he said earlier.
  1. He needs help running press conferences and appears unable to manage without support.

Is he ill?

It's very odd.

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laveritable · 04/03/2025 10:09

In 2015 Hillary Clinton told everyone that would listen that "trump is a putin puppet". It is all unravelling now!

YankTank · 04/03/2025 10:11

laveritable · 04/03/2025 10:09

In 2015 Hillary Clinton told everyone that would listen that "trump is a putin puppet". It is all unravelling now!

As did Kamala at the debate in September… www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1233736084785734&id=100044480621925

SallyWD · 04/03/2025 10:11

AnonymousBleep · 04/03/2025 10:08

I know. Has anyone said it is?

ETA - Do you mean the aid budget being diverted to defence? I'm not happy about it either but we clearly do need to up our security, and quickly.

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I was just responding to the poster who said we had to forget about Gaza now and that all aid must go to Ukraine.

trivialMorning · 04/03/2025 10:12

I don't think it matters.

I've seen some of his voters moaning about them family members being deported - them or their family losing job and some having business relient on illgal labour finding that suddenly really hard to find - mostly farms of some sort - a few farmers realising some of the foregein aid was buying their crops.

Also seen a US reviewer looking at some clips about Canada repsonse so far before tarrifs and being shocked at money from candian traveling to USA involved - and claiming not be hearing much about it in USA yet.

If inflation kicks off and food prices spike and job losses increase- there may be more push back especially as get near house elections and some may get nervous about re-election and start to push back but at minute I really don't think it matters yet.

Noshowlomo · 04/03/2025 10:14

Would there realistically be a war now? If so, USA and Russia against the world? I can’t imagine how it would play out. Is Putins end goal Ukraine or Europe.

PandaTime · 04/03/2025 10:15

CaveMum · 04/03/2025 10:04

Those saying that voters knew what they were voting for when they ticked the box marked "Trump" are forgetting that (rightly or wrongly) most people (not just in the US) are not engaged with politics.

Many, many people will either have voted Trump because they always vote for the GOP candidate or because they saw a 30 second TikTok clip of Trump saying something reasonable sounding about resolving the cost of living crisis.

People who are engaged in politics look at things in detail, consult multiple media sources, etc. Most people are not engaged in politics.

Dominic Sandbrook summed it up perfectly on election night.

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Just look at the MN. Trump said something anti-trans and suddenly many pro-Trump threads popped up. He's what womankind needs, dontcha know. We'll ignore that he's a rapist and misogynist sure because he said something we like!

YankTank · 04/03/2025 10:16

Noshowlomo · 04/03/2025 10:14

Would there realistically be a war now? If so, USA and Russia against the world? I can’t imagine how it would play out. Is Putins end goal Ukraine or Europe.

Putin has said that one of his goals is for Russia to take back the former USSR countries and bring them under Russian control.

pansiesareyellow · 04/03/2025 10:17

Echobelly · 03/03/2025 21:01

I honestly find it impossible to predict what will happen here.

We've never had such an experiment in fascism (let's not beat about the bush) in such a massive, wealthy, historically democratic country. In a world with social media and a tame technocracy on which the whole world is now incredibly reliant, all literally backed by the world's richest man.

But also in a country full of entitled people with guns.

So many things could happen:

  • Trump doesn't allow for an election next time around
  • Trump dies or is assassinated before the end of his term
  • The outright Christofascists get in and turn America into Gilead
  • He pisses off enough veterans or military that they actually rise against the government... and a zillion other things....

One thing I do know - whatever happens, this is going to be a disaster that it will take America decades to recover from. There is literally no good outcome I can imagine for this. 99% of Americans will get much poorer, Musk's 'savings' will cost infinitely more than they save through the consequences of losing so much federal infrastructure (for example, next time there's a natural disaster, which is getting much more common, it'll take far longer and therefore cost far more to restore things back to functioning). The tax cuts that go to the super-rich will be money lost to the American economy forever.

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Agree 100% with this. I think it will probably descend into civil war.

Whatever happens, it’s bloody scary as the whole world order is being turned upside down😳

SallyWD · 04/03/2025 10:18

Exactly - it always blew my mind that women thought he was their ally. He just hates trans people (and all other minorities). He couldn't give a shit about women.

CaveMum · 04/03/2025 10:19

I'm also dropping this here for the "is Trump a facist" debate. I'm not coming down on either side as I don't think it is black or white.

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PandaTime · 04/03/2025 10:21

Noshowlomo · 04/03/2025 10:14

Would there realistically be a war now? If so, USA and Russia against the world? I can’t imagine how it would play out. Is Putins end goal Ukraine or Europe.

I'm pretty sure Europe as a whole could take out Russia. But once Russia is down, China will come in. We can't take on China.

It will end up being a massive nuclear shitshow that will kill everything in the end.

528htz · 04/03/2025 10:24

Noshowlomo · 04/03/2025 10:14

Would there realistically be a war now? If so, USA and Russia against the world? I can’t imagine how it would play out. Is Putins end goal Ukraine or Europe.

You forgot about China, who will side with Russia against Europe etc. We'd better hope there is a civil war in the US.

YankTank · 04/03/2025 10:24

PandaTime · 04/03/2025 10:21

I'm pretty sure Europe as a whole could take out Russia. But once Russia is down, China will come in. We can't take on China.

It will end up being a massive nuclear shitshow that will kill everything in the end.

Don’t forget North Korea, who have already sent in support troops for Russia to Ukraine (who hysterically have found out what online porn is once they’ve been allowed outside of their country for the first time; spoiler alert: they LOVE it).

Mielikki · 04/03/2025 10:26

PandaTime · 04/03/2025 10:21

I'm pretty sure Europe as a whole could take out Russia. But once Russia is down, China will come in. We can't take on China.

It will end up being a massive nuclear shitshow that will kill everything in the end.

China isn't a military threat (unless you are Taiwanese). China just wants to make money.

PandaTime · 04/03/2025 10:33

Mielikki · 04/03/2025 10:26

China isn't a military threat (unless you are Taiwanese). China just wants to make money.

Don't underestimate China. They would take over Russia if the opportunity arose.

Lovelysummerdays · 04/03/2025 10:34

Mielikki · 04/03/2025 10:26

China isn't a military threat (unless you are Taiwanese). China just wants to make money.

I’d agree, I think they’ve shown themselves to be really adept at transactional geopolitics. All that expensive infrastructure they’ve invested in that countries are paying through the nose for comes with a generous side of towing the Chinese line.

letsallchant · 04/03/2025 10:40

PandaTime · 04/03/2025 10:33

Don't underestimate China. They would take over Russia if the opportunity arose.

They won't have to do that in military terms though. China is great at keeping a massive military deterrent and letting everyone else do the shouting, while quietly moving ahead by getting everyone to use and buy their stuff. Victory will be economic.

Lovelysummerdays · 04/03/2025 10:41

PandaTime · 04/03/2025 10:33

Don't underestimate China. They would take over Russia if the opportunity arose.

Would they want to though? Generally if history has taught us anything it’s that taking territory is much easier than keeping territory. China tends to come with offers of investment into infrastructure projects. There is very much an expectation that this will involve support for China. Also high rates of interest and what China will own if you default on your payments.

I do think China will look to its own plans first which will be Taiwan.

cantkeepawayforever · 04/03/2025 10:50

I think Trump’s soundbite politics has been excellent at keeping ‘single issue voters’ onside - he throws out a statement that he knows will appease or please a specific group, who then ignore everything else that he says because ‘he’s said x, so that means he’s on my side’.

Foreign policy is not something that bothers many American single issue voters, so he can and he will wreak as much havoc as he likes in that arena as long as he dresses it up domestically as ‘saving money for the American people’ or ‘bringing our boys home’ or ‘being a strong leader’.

The only hope is that Americans will both feel the negative impact of his actions AND link it to him directly AND do not excuse him on the grounds that he says the right things about their own ‘single issue’. Tbh, that combination feels too subtle and nuanced to be likely to come about.

We have no leg to stand on here - an electorate that supported Johnson and now support Farage, deriding Starmer because he promises no easy solutions and tries to act rather than just speak have no credibility when criticising another electorate for choosing a venal, self-interested, soundbite-issuing leader.

AshKeys · 04/03/2025 10:57

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 04/03/2025 09:54

No, they didn't.

But you're the one that really isn't getting it. The Republicans could have chosen a different candidate but didn't.

You're behaving as if the only alternative to a left leaning party is fascism.

Ah, so you are saying the Democrats were so utterly terrible no one could possibly vote for them and therefore it is the fault of the right that the only alternative was Trump? But somehow it is not the Democrats fault that voters thought they were worse than Trump?

StandFirm · 04/03/2025 10:59

YankTank · 04/03/2025 10:16

Putin has said that one of his goals is for Russia to take back the former USSR countries and bring them under Russian control.

Wonder if that means splitting up Germany again? The AfD is very pro Russia, and very popular in the former East Germany regions... Also, Putin was stationed in East Berlin and may harbour a personal grudge.

StandFirm · 04/03/2025 11:00

Lovelysummerdays · 04/03/2025 10:41

Would they want to though? Generally if history has taught us anything it’s that taking territory is much easier than keeping territory. China tends to come with offers of investment into infrastructure projects. There is very much an expectation that this will involve support for China. Also high rates of interest and what China will own if you default on your payments.

I do think China will look to its own plans first which will be Taiwan.

I know South Koreans who are also very worried they might end up the next Ukraine (after Taiwan)

SallyWD · 04/03/2025 11:08

cantkeepawayforever · 04/03/2025 10:50

I think Trump’s soundbite politics has been excellent at keeping ‘single issue voters’ onside - he throws out a statement that he knows will appease or please a specific group, who then ignore everything else that he says because ‘he’s said x, so that means he’s on my side’.

Foreign policy is not something that bothers many American single issue voters, so he can and he will wreak as much havoc as he likes in that arena as long as he dresses it up domestically as ‘saving money for the American people’ or ‘bringing our boys home’ or ‘being a strong leader’.

The only hope is that Americans will both feel the negative impact of his actions AND link it to him directly AND do not excuse him on the grounds that he says the right things about their own ‘single issue’. Tbh, that combination feels too subtle and nuanced to be likely to come about.

We have no leg to stand on here - an electorate that supported Johnson and now support Farage, deriding Starmer because he promises no easy solutions and tries to act rather than just speak have no credibility when criticising another electorate for choosing a venal, self-interested, soundbite-issuing leader.

Spot on

AshKeys · 04/03/2025 11:09

SallyWD · 04/03/2025 10:18

Exactly - it always blew my mind that women thought he was their ally. He just hates trans people (and all other minorities). He couldn't give a shit about women.

You misunderstand. Women know he doesn’t care for them but he does recognise women as a category. The democrats were destroying the whole category of ‘women’, ‘girls’, and ‘female’ and stealing the very language used to describe women. Under Trump women can fight for their rights. Under the democrats they were finding they no longer even had the language to describe themselves let alone be recognised as a category to which any rights could be ascribed.

SallyWD · 04/03/2025 11:11

AshKeys · 04/03/2025 11:09

You misunderstand. Women know he doesn’t care for them but he does recognise women as a category. The democrats were destroying the whole category of ‘women’, ‘girls’, and ‘female’ and stealing the very language used to describe women. Under Trump women can fight for their rights. Under the democrats they were finding they no longer even had the language to describe themselves let alone be recognised as a category to which any rights could be ascribed.

Women are going to need to fight for their rights under Trump - along with many other marginalised groups.