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JD Vance and Trump are fucking idiots: Part 2

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Locutus2000 · 02/03/2025 16:46

Original thread

Original post from @Thisandthatandthensome · 28/02/2025 19:09

JD Vance . What an idiot.

Trump narcissistic bully.

Vile men

Unbelievable greed, idiots, bullies, vile men

Rolling over thread as JD Vance and Trump are still fucking idiots.

OP posts:
Pairymoppins · 03/03/2025 18:11

I wonder if what needs to happen for a few days now is … nothing. Give Trump a chance to calm down a bit and he’ll see that this is all playing very badly at home, abroad and in the markets too. Not so much just from what they said but from the fact that Trump and Vance both seem deranged.

BurntBroccoli · 03/03/2025 18:14

Anyone have any info on how the MAGAs reacted to last Friday's bullying of Zelenskyy?

Or how Reformers are reacting over here? They seem to be aligning with Putin via Trump on the Facebook posts I've seen.

sleepwouldbenice · 03/03/2025 18:20

Pairymoppins · 03/03/2025 18:11

I wonder if what needs to happen for a few days now is … nothing. Give Trump a chance to calm down a bit and he’ll see that this is all playing very badly at home, abroad and in the markets too. Not so much just from what they said but from the fact that Trump and Vance both seem deranged.

Have you seen his latest rant...?

Arrivals4lucky · 03/03/2025 18:24

sleepwouldbenice · 03/03/2025 18:20

Have you seen his latest rant...?

Yes, let’s all pacify the tyrant… that’s the issue… not the fact he’s a megalomaniac who can’t bear anyone having an opinion that matches his ( often wrong ) own.

Pairymoppins · 03/03/2025 18:40

sleepwouldbenice · 03/03/2025 18:20

Have you seen his latest rant...?

Yes but that’s what I mean, he’s still angry. He’s a giant, dim witted toddler. In a few days it might be that he realises they’ve actually gone too far. American economy not doing well- it’s a bit like the Truss effect- the sheer instability of the man undermines market confidence.

Pairymoppins · 03/03/2025 18:42

Arrivals4lucky · 03/03/2025 18:24

Yes, let’s all pacify the tyrant… that’s the issue… not the fact he’s a megalomaniac who can’t bear anyone having an opinion that matches his ( often wrong ) own.

I don’t mean pacify him I mean put the orange eejit in a corner to see out his tantrum and then I think we might see a shift.

Arrivals4lucky · 03/03/2025 18:53

I’m so sick of every news story starting with the fucking Americans. It’s getting really annoying.

Wildflowers99 · 03/03/2025 18:55

BurntBroccoli · 03/03/2025 18:14

Anyone have any info on how the MAGAs reacted to last Friday's bullying of Zelenskyy?

Or how Reformers are reacting over here? They seem to be aligning with Putin via Trump on the Facebook posts I've seen.

Did you see that Snake Farage in PMQs today? He got slapped down by Starmer quite nicely, but Reform have all but come out with their tongue firmly up Trump’s arse. They’re despicable traitors.

Pairymoppins · 03/03/2025 20:45

Wildflowers99 · 03/03/2025 18:55

Did you see that Snake Farage in PMQs today? He got slapped down by Starmer quite nicely, but Reform have all but come out with their tongue firmly up Trump’s arse. They’re despicable traitors.

Can’t see that working out for reform. Farage’s polling took a tumble last time he came out with something pro-Putin. Some polling the other day showed the majority of reform supporters are basically dissatisfied anti-incumbency voters, they still back Ukraine and don’t like Trump.

ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 20:55

Do you think that Trump and Vance are aware if the following:

"Important context on 🇺🇦:

🌻 “The 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances was an agreement signed on December 5, 1994, by Ukraine, Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom. It provided security assurances to Ukraine in exchange for giving up its nuclear weapons.

Key Points:
Ukraine Agreed to:
• Give up its nuclear arsenal (which was the third-largest in the world at the time).
• Join the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) as a non-nuclear state.

Signatory Countries (Russia, U.S., UK) Assured Ukraine of:
• Respect for Ukraine’s independence, sovereignty, and existing borders.
• Refraining from the use of force or economic coercion against Ukraine.
• Seeking UN Security Council action if Ukraine was threatened or attacked with nuclear weapons.
• Not using nuclear weapons against Ukraine.

Outcome and Violations:
• Russia violated the agreement by annexing Crimea in 2014 and later launching a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022.”

🌻 “The Minsk Agreements (Minsk I - 2014, Minsk II - 2015) were peace deals aimed at ending the conflict in eastern Ukraine after Russian intrusion to Russia in 2014.
Key terms included:

  • Ceasefire & Withdrawal of Heavy Weapons (to create a buffer zone).
  • OSCE Monitoring (to ensure compliance).
  • Local Elections & Autonomy for Donbas (under Ukrainian law).
  • Ukraine Regains Control of Border (after local elections).
  • Prisoner Exchange & Amnesty (for those involved in the conflict).

How did Russia violate it?

  • Continued Military Support to Separatists (Donetsk & Luhansk People's Republics).
  • Troop & Weapon Deployments (despite agreeing to withdrawal).
  • Failure to Return Border Control to Ukraine.
  • Blocking Local Elections under Ukrainian Law.
  • Frequent Ceasefire Violations & Attacks on Ukrainian Forces.

Result: Minsk agreements failed due to Russia's ongoing interference, leading to further escalation, including the full-scale invasion in 2022.”

ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 20:56

Strange that Trump keeps insisting Ukraine started the war when Russia invaded. Has he lost his memory or his marbles or is he just a Putin puppet?

StrawberryWater · 03/03/2025 21:05

ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 20:56

Strange that Trump keeps insisting Ukraine started the war when Russia invaded. Has he lost his memory or his marbles or is he just a Putin puppet?

Definitely a Putin puppet.

The defence department have stopped all "offensive" cyber operations against Russia. What does that tell you.

They seem to want to give Putin whatever he wants and what Putin wants is an empire and he can't have that without Ukraine. That's why he keeps invading and wants it back under Russian control.

What Putin has on Trump is anyone's guess. It can't just be a few pee videos. My guess is that Trump has been involved with the Russians for a very long time, since the 1980s, when it was rumoured they bailed him out when he lost loads of money.

ForestAtTheSea · 03/03/2025 21:38

Has the Saturday Night Live sketch about it been posted somewhere yet? I'm still catching up; didn't see it on this thread.

If you have a VPN, might need to change it to USA as location; I'm outside the US and this way it worked for me. Or probably others will reupload.

sundaypaper · 03/03/2025 21:40

I see Farage is now criticising Zelensky's dress as well 🙄

www.politico.eu/article/uk-nigel-farage-ukraine-volodymyr-zelenskyy-should-have-worn-suit-us-donald-trump-meeting/

ForestAtTheSea · 03/03/2025 21:49

A Ukrainian blogger gave some background on why it's so important to wear military-related clothing in Ukraine

Illia Ponomarenko:

https://nitter.poast.org/IAPonomarenko/status/1896142621615272013#m

"FYI, Zelensky’s semi-military official attire represents a very, very important aspect of life in Ukraine right now—tactical clothing and various gear that is worn by everyone who has any connection to the war and combat operations."

[....]

"One crucial rule—civilians (unless they are demobilized veterans) have no moral right to buy and wear camouflage clothing, whether it’s Multicam or our Ukrainian military patterns like the army’s "pixel." In this community, it is considered immoral and unacceptable. Camouflage is a mark of honor for a soldier. Want to wear it? Take the oath and join the military.

But if, for example, a civilian involved in the war effort wears tactical clothing in black, gray, dark blue, olive, or beige—there’s no issue. It’s practical, and it fits the times.

This is exactly what Zelensky does when he meets world leaders in front of the cameras in semi-military tactical attire. He represents a fighting Ukraine, where millions of people are not just serving in the armed forces but also contributing to the country’s defense for the sake of a common future in their homeland.

And Zelensky does it the right way—he deliberately avoids wearing an official military uniform or camouflage, which other politicians have shamelessly and absurdly used for self-promotion.

Yes, he is the Commander-in-Chief, but he is not a soldier, and even he does not have the moral right to wear camouflage, which is sacred, because it is in that uniform that Ukrainian soldiers shed their blood for our country and heroically fight against one of the largest and most ruthless armies in history."

Further text in the link; I edited it so it's not the full quote.

ForestAtTheSea · 03/03/2025 23:41

sundaypaper · 03/03/2025 21:40

"The Reform UK leader and Trump ally said the U.S. president was “incredibly old-fashioned” about people’s clothing in the Oval Office"
from your link

I really don't know how many times people have to point out that he does not apply that rule to Elon Musk. I think thousands of people have now been saying it for three days straight.

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/238df1392c07ab8e96ca82538602d1a296901bf9/0_0_4953_3392/master/4953.jpg?width=1300&dpr=2&s=none&crop=none

or here:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/26/trump-cabinet-elon-musk

And so many things that are claimed by Trump & Co are easily disproven, why does everyone keep on shilling lies. What's the game behind Farage's moves?

tobee · 04/03/2025 00:14

What's the game behind Farage's moves?

Cuntishness

Sky News reporting Trump has paused aid to Ukraine.

sleepwouldbenice · 04/03/2025 00:16

tobee · 04/03/2025 00:14

What's the game behind Farage's moves?

Cuntishness

Sky News reporting Trump has paused aid to Ukraine.

Yep. Bullying little shits

Wishyouwerehere50 · 04/03/2025 00:38

The situation reminds me of a narcissistic cult. When you're the subject of a collective attack, others around you can even believe the narrative that you are the problem and the instigator.

It feels like living in the third dimension where Trumpet and Co. are doing a DARVO and a proportion of the public believe it.

The problem with JD Vance is he has risen from the level of social clinker to VP.

No matter what he does, I fear there will be a huge following. They may well operate at level of partial lobotomy these followers, but they will admire and possibly see a representation of themselves; but this guy, he made it.

Similar peeps see Billionaire Trump and private school educated Farage as highly relatable also. Scary.

ForestAtTheSea · 04/03/2025 01:26

"Sky News reporting Trump has paused aid to Ukraine."
@tobee

They might make it look like Zelenskyy not saying sorry is the reason for it, but it was probably planned all along, this is the next act in a play.

In an analysis by former US ambassador Susan Rice she, too, says it was a total set-up, as no VP would interrupt the president like this without an agreement.
And all the gutting of the administration, retreating cybersecurity, the Munich speech, she says her impression is that it's a playbook to alienate the US from its allies and to benefit China.

It might well be that Trump is more corrupt than Russia; selling out his country to foreign agents. That will be fun for historians in decades to come; sadly not so fun for humanity right now.

1sttimeforeverything2 · 04/03/2025 01:39

Can't stand Trump and don't get me started on JD. BUT, did everyone here see the whole 40-45 minutes of the meeting?

I'd say that Zelenskyy could have done with an interpreter as how he come across was a bit abrasive and it was as if he wasn't really focusing. He had been advised to wear a suit and how to treat trump but didn't heed the advice. Of course he must have been frustrated with Trump for calling him a dictator. Trump's a narcissist and would have hated to have been corrected in public.

Trump speaks in hyperbole and inaccuracies but sometimes there is a grain of truth. E.g. the press freedom in Ukraine has deteriorated more recently and there was that case of Z having offshore accounts (proven - Pandora papers) so maybe Trump put these together and in typical hyperbole called him a dictator. Which is a ridiculous and cruel comment to someone involved in a terrible conflict, but there we have it.

Trump siding up to Putin is presumably also a deal tactic, right? Getting him on his side so that he has more leverage when it comes to the final deal?

Of course the end of the meeting last week can't be excused, two bully toddlers in Trump and JD Vance. But Zelenskyy definitely could have played it different in the run up to the clip that most people have seen.

I'm sure someone will come along to say I'm a bot or something but I have no connections to either the US, Ukraine or Russia. Just find it frustrating when everything gets polarised, whatever side we're looking at (and I'd describe myself more as a Democrat if nothing else).

C0tt0nCandy · 04/03/2025 06:32

1sttimeforeverything2 · 04/03/2025 01:39

Can't stand Trump and don't get me started on JD. BUT, did everyone here see the whole 40-45 minutes of the meeting?

I'd say that Zelenskyy could have done with an interpreter as how he come across was a bit abrasive and it was as if he wasn't really focusing. He had been advised to wear a suit and how to treat trump but didn't heed the advice. Of course he must have been frustrated with Trump for calling him a dictator. Trump's a narcissist and would have hated to have been corrected in public.

Trump speaks in hyperbole and inaccuracies but sometimes there is a grain of truth. E.g. the press freedom in Ukraine has deteriorated more recently and there was that case of Z having offshore accounts (proven - Pandora papers) so maybe Trump put these together and in typical hyperbole called him a dictator. Which is a ridiculous and cruel comment to someone involved in a terrible conflict, but there we have it.

Trump siding up to Putin is presumably also a deal tactic, right? Getting him on his side so that he has more leverage when it comes to the final deal?

Of course the end of the meeting last week can't be excused, two bully toddlers in Trump and JD Vance. But Zelenskyy definitely could have played it different in the run up to the clip that most people have seen.

I'm sure someone will come along to say I'm a bot or something but I have no connections to either the US, Ukraine or Russia. Just find it frustrating when everything gets polarised, whatever side we're looking at (and I'd describe myself more as a Democrat if nothing else).

Edited

Good try,yeah sure you’re a democrat. 🙄

Like most people I watched the whole of it including the part when Zelenskyy told him about the abducted Ukrainian children and showed him photos of the suffering. Trump couldn’t have given less of a shit.

Trump and Co were diabolical from start to finish, Zelensky,deserves a sainthood for how well he tolerated it and no he couldn’t have handled it any differently aside from walking out.

PandoraSox · 04/03/2025 06:34

We see what Trump and Vance's game was now, don't we? Military aid has been paused. My guess is the only way it will be unpaused is if Zelenskyy agrees to step down.

PandoraSox · 04/03/2025 06:43

1sttimeforeverything2 · 04/03/2025 01:39

Can't stand Trump and don't get me started on JD. BUT, did everyone here see the whole 40-45 minutes of the meeting?

I'd say that Zelenskyy could have done with an interpreter as how he come across was a bit abrasive and it was as if he wasn't really focusing. He had been advised to wear a suit and how to treat trump but didn't heed the advice. Of course he must have been frustrated with Trump for calling him a dictator. Trump's a narcissist and would have hated to have been corrected in public.

Trump speaks in hyperbole and inaccuracies but sometimes there is a grain of truth. E.g. the press freedom in Ukraine has deteriorated more recently and there was that case of Z having offshore accounts (proven - Pandora papers) so maybe Trump put these together and in typical hyperbole called him a dictator. Which is a ridiculous and cruel comment to someone involved in a terrible conflict, but there we have it.

Trump siding up to Putin is presumably also a deal tactic, right? Getting him on his side so that he has more leverage when it comes to the final deal?

Of course the end of the meeting last week can't be excused, two bully toddlers in Trump and JD Vance. But Zelenskyy definitely could have played it different in the run up to the clip that most people have seen.

I'm sure someone will come along to say I'm a bot or something but I have no connections to either the US, Ukraine or Russia. Just find it frustrating when everything gets polarised, whatever side we're looking at (and I'd describe myself more as a Democrat if nothing else).

Edited

I'm sure someone will come along to say I'm a bot or something but I have no connections to either the US, Ukraine or Russia

New to MN. 12 posts. Three of which are attempting to minimise what happened in that meeting. Why on earth would anyone call you a bot?

Corneliafunk · 04/03/2025 06:45

Putin wants Zelenskyy out - so Trump wants him out. Zelenskyy has his people behind him so P&T want him gone with a weaker player put in his place instead.

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