To be jealous of everyone getting slim in weight loss jabs while I get fatter !

[Sundayslump]

Okay - lighthearted ? Maybe.

I’ve been lucky to grow up and be a size 10 . Had a baby at 27. Lost all the weight but my body changed. Baby 2 , again gained 4 stone but I’ve always kept the last stone. I am now 12/14 uk.

I work full time and have two children . I eat healthy for the most part and walk and exercise. When I am super strict which feels so much harder at 40 I am a size 12 but unlike in my 30s it seems so much harder to lose weight now . I feel crap in my clothes and I wish and dream of being a size 10. Call me pathetic !

My brother and his wife , twos sisters and their husbands , work colleagues and a few of my good friends who were never obese but had a few stone to lose are all taking weight loss jabs. They have all lost around 2/3/4 stone and are all now looking fab . All the women are now in size 8 jeans and I am jealous. I sound pathetic . None of these ladies were any bigger than a 14/16 to start with.

I totally understand these jabs are so life changing for so many people who need them but it seems in my life everyone has taken them and gone from a 14/16 to a size 8/6 size Uk and I can’t help but feel like if I just bloody jump on the bandwagon I will feel good, feel happy and be slim.

Now everyone around me is so slim I feel ever more aware of my size .

I want to state I exercise and do eat a healthy diet . I have just found after two babies and getting older unless I basically stick to 1200 calories a day I can’t maintain a size 12.
Ahhhhhh. Sorry for sounding so so so vain.

@Inyournewdress
understand it, and I would be overjoyed to be corrected on this, the evidence suggests that most people cannot tolerate the jabs for more than two years,

where did you get this idea from?!

Yes, do look it up. If I can find the link I will send it to you. I think if you are able to keep up a lot of resistance exercise like you are then that really will be helping to retain muscle. I am glad it’s working so well for you. I don’t mean to sound negative, I am just in that anxious tizz of wondering whether to take them or not where I am second guessing everything. I also wanted to reassure OP that’s it’s not all good being on them.

You have my sympathies. I took Tamoxifen for 3 years and the side effects were brutal. For me it was the chronic bloating, fatigue and joint pain.

You can't just go by size, height and build matter. I'm a size 16 and I'm not obese. I recently saw my GP regarding elevated blood pressure, he looked at me and said I was okay and didn't mention losing weight. Obese is not actually smaller than most people think.

I don’t know. Some people with relatively low BMIs seem to be able to buy them. Don’t suppose they could get a prescription.

It's only been recently that long term use has been approved or recommended. So there's really no data on how long term use will work as it's not researched.

Obviously if you couldn't stay on them long term then another approach would be needed. The interesting area of research however is if and how the body can fully recover from obesity is to the point that it becomes like a body that's never been obese. We don't know this now because the data isn't there. Maybe after being healthy BMI for 12 months we will 'recover'. Or maybe 2 years, or maybe longer, or maybe never.

Oh god OP I feel the same. I’m 5’8, 12st7 which puts me at roughly 27 bmi so I don’t qualify. I have tried for YEARS to lose a stone and maintain it but the food noise is unbearable. I dream of it!

Ben Bikman, possibly other sources but I can’t remember. I know not everyone agrees with his approach but I do think he will be citing genuine research.

You just sound sensible OP.
Who on earth can afford to stay on weight loss drugs for the rest of their life?

It is possible to lose weight quickly on a low carb, calorie restricted programme as pps have suggested, with generous amounts of protein which helps prevent the muscle loss seen with the drugs. With an emphasis on time-restricted eating - not eating in the evening makes a huge difference.

One of the issues with these jabs is that they don't encourage those healthy eating patterns which will enable you to keep weight off

I take munjaro for diabetes. The doses I take are not weightless doses but I have through focussing on low carbon meals improved my diabetic control and lost a stone, so Im now in a size 14. I have 2 more stone to go if I want to be smaller.

The thing is, why is a size 8 the aspiration? Surely at 12/14 you look good unless You're less than 5ft tall in which case get some heels!!

But honestly, we're a pathetic lot if we think being a diff size changes us. It doesn't. To be happy we have to accept and love what we are - all of it whether we perceive that to be good or bad.

If you don't have access to the jab, eat pomegranates. They contain a chemical that induces the same response fat injections do. Im going to up my intake of pomegranates too - maybe we should compare notes!

So in essence, accept what you are, love yourself good or bad and eat pomegranates!

Take the jabs

@Inyournewdress

As I understand it, and I would be overjoyed to be corrected on this, the evidence suggests that most people cannot tolerate the jabs for more than two years,

Yes indeed, I have found information that suggests this too. I just googled it and found 5 or 6 websites saying that weight loss injections should not be taken long term, and 2 years would be the ideal time to stop taking them to prevent serious long term side effects. Apparently a couple of them should not be taken for more than 2 years at all, so I'm not sure where this 'I will take them my whole life' mindset comes from. 🤔

The 'weight loss injection' fans won't want to accept this or admit it though, so there's no point in labouring the point.

I've googled and only found podcasts. Do you have a link to the actual research that suggests people can't tolerate the drugs past 2 years?

You have no idea of the qualifications or otherwise of people on this thread.

Of course you should take advice from your own doctor over people on the internet but equally it’s common courtesy to be polite. So you don’t have to mock the scientific background of people contributing to this thread. Just make your points & let others make theirs.

One of the issues with these jabs is that they don't encourage those healthy eating patterns which will enable you to keep weight off

This is really very tedious. How much do you actually know about how these drugs work? Have you read any testimonies on this very long thread? Because you really, really can't eat like shit on WLI. They won't work properly and you'll feel like crap.

Can you link this research info? Who carried it out? I'd be very interested to see it.

https://www.secondnature.io/guides/lifestyle/glp1s/how-long-can-you-stay-on-mounjaro?srsltid=AfmBOopXa3ZULOMudC9xkUU0935J0Y8vHGFV1_NMJULTf7AzBhMG2bL3

mounjaro is safe and effective for life as per current knowledge and approval. I'm not sure why you think you know better than prescribers?

I honestly don't see why it matters. Weight is not a moral issue however much people make it into one.
Being a healthy weight is just that. I can't see the ethics of a self administered injection, hypnotherapy or a diet club are any different to each other.

i don’t have a link to his sources no, sorry. If I find one I will post it. You can find his publications on Google Scholar, he is a Professor of Cell Biology and Physiology in the US. I heard him cite these statistics in an interview or lecture that was posted on YouTube, he also has books but I haven’t read them. I can’t say for certain what the source is, but from what I have seen…maybe I am wrong…I don’t think he would literally make up stats. How rigorous the source of the stats I don’t know. He was using stats from the US but he was comparing them to Britain too saying the percentage is nearly as high. I am really sorry I don’t have the citation details right now, it’s always so difficult to know whether to post anything without that or not!

Because I don’t ever want to go back to being a size 22, and I don’t want to suffer like my Dad did in the last 5 years of his life from heart failure brought on by obesity.

@Glorybox2025 from memory he did not reference any specific medical reason why people had to come off them. He said people were coming off them by choice, which he speculated may be due to nausea etc.

That is very different to what you initially said which is that most people can't tolerate the drugs after 2 years. The side effects of nausea etc fade in the first month or two so why would anyone suddenly develop nausea 2 years in? It sounds very anecdotal and not actually factual.

@Weepixie I’m sorry but the healthier eating should have started on day 1
I 💯 agree with you.
I told him we're not buying it anymore unless he starts eating healthy, it is expensive, dangerous and needs to be taken seriously.
He has to step up this month or its off the budget.

The problem I have is that even people who are highly qualified experts in the field seem to all disagree anyway. What I take from that, apart from major confusion and mild despair, is that these jabs must be a considered choice. They may be life saving and life improving for many but it is a complex medical choice, and so I don’t think OP should feel too jealous of those who may be taking them too lightly.

Well he did use the word tolerate, I suppose there are different interpretations of that. I certainly hope that you are right. I am actually thinking of contacting him to be honest to ask about this and some other things, if I do I will update.