To be jealous of everyone getting slim in weight loss jabs while I get fatter !

[Sundayslump]

Okay - lighthearted ? Maybe.

I’ve been lucky to grow up and be a size 10 . Had a baby at 27. Lost all the weight but my body changed. Baby 2 , again gained 4 stone but I’ve always kept the last stone. I am now 12/14 uk.

I work full time and have two children . I eat healthy for the most part and walk and exercise. When I am super strict which feels so much harder at 40 I am a size 12 but unlike in my 30s it seems so much harder to lose weight now . I feel crap in my clothes and I wish and dream of being a size 10. Call me pathetic !

My brother and his wife , twos sisters and their husbands , work colleagues and a few of my good friends who were never obese but had a few stone to lose are all taking weight loss jabs. They have all lost around 2/3/4 stone and are all now looking fab . All the women are now in size 8 jeans and I am jealous. I sound pathetic . None of these ladies were any bigger than a 14/16 to start with.

I totally understand these jabs are so life changing for so many people who need them but it seems in my life everyone has taken them and gone from a 14/16 to a size 8/6 size Uk and I can’t help but feel like if I just bloody jump on the bandwagon I will feel good, feel happy and be slim.

Now everyone around me is so slim I feel ever more aware of my size .

I want to state I exercise and do eat a healthy diet . I have just found after two babies and getting older unless I basically stick to 1200 calories a day I can’t maintain a size 12.
Ahhhhhh. Sorry for sounding so so so vain.

Another who feels the same! I don't think there is a band wagon to jump on though as I just wouldn't be prescribed it! (I presume they require a prescription). I am waiting on ADHD meds and know they will help me lose weight though!

Yes. I can't believe that people think it's only WLIs that can cause potential loss of muscle mass and/or bone density.

Feel the same. Managed my weight fine until the menopause and now its gradually creeping up and I'm about 10st 7 and a size 12 which I've not been since pregnancy.

I do think though that whilst they are amazing in the short term and the weight loss is quick - its impossible to maintain if you've not taken steps to exercise and eat healthily when you stop them. It'll just go back on and you're out of pocket. Plus I don't like the idea of messing with anything related to the pancreas.

Food noise is when you have a packet of biscuits in the cupboard and you can hear the fuckers calling your name every time you walk past the cupboard and when you are lying in bed at night.
Stop buying them, put them in the bin, take back self control, you don't need to eat them, set up a routine and distract yourself or prep healthy filling snacks.
My Dsis lost close to 4 stone in SW, she kept it off, she still enjoys her meals but does not feel intensw hunger anymore. Carbohydrates and boredom cause food noise.

But don't you think that people who have gone to the bother and expense of this will be trying to eat more healthily? They'll also be in a great position to exercise as it's a lot easier to do when you are lighter!

It can be 27 with other co-morbidities (e.g. high cholesterol, high blood pressure) or if you’re a certain ethnicity. It’s not a one size fits all situation.

I'd like to think so or its pretty pointless. A family member hasn't changed anything about her lifestyle and has gained it back when she stopped so only speaking about what I've seen.

I would just eat whatever I could find in the house…and no I can’t get rid of all food as I have a DH and two DC in the house. It was much, much easier when I lived alone. My DH was a little concerned but still supportive when I started Mounjaro (as that’s the type of guy he is) but he is amazed at how I no longer want to snack. He isn’t a snacker himself but he knew it was getting me down. He really can understand the food noise issue now.

That’s the same with all diets though.

I can see that but seems unfair that people can use WLIs to maintain a BMI of 22 for example but you can’t start them with a BMI of 29. But for all the maintainers at 22 there are most likely a lot of others who drop from 40 to 30 for example if they are lucky. No point being jealous of those people.

Have you ever been jealous of people who have had a gastric sleeve? That works really well and people say it changes their life but I am not jealous of the risk of complications and permanent changes needed to people’s diets.

Again you're interpreting what I'm getting at, in your own way, which is also becoming tedious.
Maybe I didn't explain clearly enough, but my main points are:-

I have no issue with people going to their GPs and getting prescribed medication to help them lose weight and seeing a dietician. In other words, going through the proper channels.
What I do object to is the jabs being so freely available for anyone who thinks they need it and are not classed as clinically obese or even obese. The people who just want to lose a couple of stone, for vanitys sake.
That can be done with healthy eating, willpower and exercise.
And I'm not smug, or lauding it over people, nor am I accusing anyone of being "lazy fatties" as someone suggested! I am proud of the fact I turned my thinking around and did something about my weight. I was lazy and greedy and I did something about it, without the help of anything. People don't even try when they can just shell out money and get jabs!
And I am far from done on my own journey, but I'll keep going without the help. And if I don't lose an ounce more, I'll be happy as I am.
From everything I've read about the jabs and the majority of people who use them, it's quite apparent that they won't see their GPs, because they know damn well that they won't be prescribed the drug! I've heard and read people saying that themselves! That's what I meant by cheating, I'm sorry if I didn't explain that better.
I'll "bore" off now and leave the thread. I'm entitled to my opinion, as is everyone else on here. Fair enough if you don't agree, you don't have to, that's the beauty of life.

Then the working day needs to be shorter so that ppl can have a healthy meal cooked from scratch and eaten by 7/8pm.

Perhaps the DWP need to stop sanctioning people if they cant/wont look for jobs miles away
Imagine putting this in your UC journal "i cant accept that job cos i wont be home in time to cook a healthy dinner" Sanction incoming.
Perhaps all supermarkets should close by 5pm to enable their staff to do the same!!

This. You couldn't pay me to take them. I think weight loss injections are a ticking time bomb. So many people have been brainwashed into thinking they're the best thing since sliced bread. The obsession with them (from some) is a bit worrying.

Having injections to lose weight is not going to end well IMO. The long term side effects aren't known yet, and I will wager that they are not going to be pretty. As a pp said, there's no such thing as a free lunch, and if something sounds too good to be true then it very likely is... Even now, some people are reporting side effects, and some medical experts are starting to warn people that there may be some unpleasant long term side effects in a few years. (In addition to the short term side effects now.)

There is nothing to be 'jealous' of @Sundayslump Why be jealous of people who are injecting themselves with stuff that they know nothing about, to lose weight quickly? They're not doing anything impressive or clever, and as I say, there is a strong likelihood of long term side effects.

And no, I am not wishing anything bad on anyone, I just genuinely think weight loss injections are a ticking time bomb, and the long term side effects are not going to be great. And I am not 'jealous' of people taking them. I could if I wanted to. I have no wish to, and I never will. (And I have struggled with my weight all my life.)

Same as people using fillers and botox and the like to try and look younger, I will never use anything like that either. (People never do look younger by the way, and I agree that no-one of 50 looks 25. Youngest they will look is 40-42. Most will look 47 to 53.)

I have noticed that some people who champion weight loss injections get quite angry when people bash the injections, and then start mocking and deriding people who are plain and simple pointing out the pitfalls and the reason they won't have them. They do NOT like people bashing them, and take it so personally. It's just weird! If you are so sure of your decision, and think there will be no pitfalls and long term side effects, why do you care what other people think and say?

Personally, I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole...

@MoonWoman69

"What I do object to is the jabs being so freely available for anyone who thinks they need it and are not classed as clinically obese or even obese. The people who just want to lose a couple of stone, for vanitys sake. "

They are not freely available to those people. Only if they commit to defrauding a pharmacy in quite a determined and consistent way. Or acquiring it from an illegal source, or acquiring something unknown in vials from a beautician. It's nothing to do with the prescribing criteria as authorised by the MHRA. Their decision was that WLI can be prescribed by online pharmacists to people with a BMI of 27 or over with a weight related health condition. Or to those with a BMI of 30 or more. Which is obese. (Including people whose ethnicity means they are considered obese at a BMI of 27).

You do realise this is true of any weight loss regime?

If you lose weight relatively quickly and don't eat adequate protein or do some strength training to retain muscle...you will lose muscle mass.

Should people not bother trying?

Have you looked into the studies of how being a healthy weight lengthens your lifespan?:

Specifically, cutting caloric intake by 12% for two years in lean or slightly overweight adults slowed the pace of aging by 2-3%. Although the effect is small, it adds up over time; earlier research suggests that a similar slowdown may reduce the risk of dying in 10 to 15 years by 10-15%.28

The study, published in the Lancet Diabetes and Endocrinology, showed that life expectancy for obese men and women was 4.2 and 3.5 years shorter respectively than people in the entire healthy BMI weight range. The difference for underweight men and women was 4.3 (men) and 4.5 (women) years.31 Oct 2018

@BatchCookBabe no one is trying to persuade you that you should take weight loss injections.

The side effects are well known. The long term possible effects are known, and there's nothing in these medications that makes them any more or less likely to develop new and as yet unknown future side effects.

What is well known as well is the risk of being obese, and being morbidly obese. The risk to my health of remaining obese was significantly higher than using a weight loss injection.

Could you explain what it is about GLP-1s specifically that makes you think there will be significant harm in the future to those who have used them?

Totally. I know people who have been doing SW for 20 years! 🤷‍♀️

@Boohoo76 That is great, I'm really happy for you, it'll become second nature eventually.

DH is in the same boat, he has lost 3 stone, and his confidence has grown. He needs to change his diet swap out unhealthy foods, ATM he is eating less, next week he'll start with healthier options so he isn't on it for life, it's expensive.

You could just not buy them…

On most diets you don't lose your appetite and effectively starve yourself through feeling no desire to eat. WW and SW - you have a limited calorie intake but still feel hunger. Yes you have phases where you come off and go back on it but the rapidity of the weight loss, the fear of pancreatitis - we just have no clue what it will do to us in the future especially those who are not obese/type 2 diabetics.

It takes 30 mins to cook a healthy meal.

@I8toys those who aren't obese (or > 27 BMI with a weigh related health condition) don't qualify to get a prescription and shouldn't be taking WLI. If they do, then that's a poor decision they've made that may well backfire.

The risks of pancreatitis is small and what you're totally ignoring is that being obese or morbidly obese increases your risk of pancreatitis greatly already. Taking WLI reduces your risk of pancreatitis overall as you lose weight.

You don't starve yourself or feel no hunger on WLI. Perhaps each time you move up a dose it can have that effect for a couple of days but it's not the intended effect and it wears off as the medication wears off. You still need to eat your calorie allowance, on average, across the week, I don't know anyone on the WLI support threads that wants to starve themselves or expects that to happen.

If you have to ask I think you’ve proved her point.

I’m sorry but the healthier eating should have started on day 1.

Fuck sake it doesn't have to be biscuits! There's always something to eat in the house. I don't eat biscuits or any of that snack crap but if there's bread or frozen burgers or rice or pasta or a tin of beans I'll be munching them if I'm on a hunger rampage. You don't get it at all.