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Foodtimeisit · 2025-03-01T12:54:52+00:00

After yesterday's news, Britain shouldn't be the one funding war as USA has said they are out now. There's no chance Britain can fight this war alone with Ukraine against Russia. Since this war started, our life has only become miserable with CoL increase. AIBU to think we shouldn't have anything to do this war and we should fix our own problems first before giving away our tax money?

Walkaround · 01/03/2025 22:46

OldBun58 · 01/03/2025 22:29

I hope you all realise that any political event or war is being presented by the media of every country according the political orientation of that country's government.
The West is scared of Russia, but Russia is scared of NATO being along its borders. The war in Ukrain for Russia is about preventing Ukrain from joining NATO and having NATO forces on the Russian borders.

For Putin it is not about invading Europe next, but about being paranoid about Europe invading Russia.
The European media has blown things out of proportion. Meanwhile, huge sums are wasted on fuelling pointless war and causing endless casualties, whilst there is a great shortage of resources to sort out endless domestic problems and ever increasing poverty. The money that could be spent on developing own economy and prosperity.
The only justification of going to war and financing it is when your own country is being invaded and you need to defend it. Otherwise, it is interfering into someone else's affairs, fuelling and prolonging the war. Nobody benefits from it except weapons manufacturers. Everybody else loses big time.
This is what most people think but would not publically admit it.

What absolute tripe. Nobody in the history of the world, ever, invaded another sovereign country because they were scared. Putin is just peeved Russia isn’t as big as he thinks it should be and doesn’t appreciate not being perceived to be the leader of a superpower. He would rather destroy the world than not feel big and meaningful.

HowardTJMoon · 01/03/2025 22:49

StoneofDestiny · 01/03/2025 22:29

Did you mean Trump?

oops - I did.
getting hard to tell the difference between Putin and Trump

It's easy to confuse the two. Putin's the one with less fake tan, smaller lifts in his shoes and wears better-fitting suits. Trump's the one who struggles to form coherent sentences, is far too vain to recognise when he's being played like a fiddle by people smarter than him, and has awful taste in interior design.

juldan · 01/03/2025 22:55

SunshinDay · 01/03/2025 21:37

I don't understand the "he won't stop at Ukraine" arguments.

Ukraine isn't in nato and won't be in putin time.
We can't help Ukraine as much as we want too eg with air power and certain equipment because they are not in nato and we have to be careful.

Russia has endless bodies to chuck into this war from without and within. They are still selling oil around the globe and last time I checked to the eu??

Ukraine is fighting with one arm behind its back due to lack of power, people and nukes.
Stopping this war means putin doesn't get Ukraine, win.
He won't go after anywhere else because they are protected by nato.
If Russia hit any nato country, Estonia etc they will be be hit instantly? Why would putin increase his war footprint if he is struggling in Ukraine??

I don't believe for one moment Ukraine can win like this at all. But I believe they may have a chance to hold him back if they make the peace then get USA in.

@SunshinDay
Will he be hit back by NATO though? Not if Donny has any say in it. He will never stand up to Putin. NATO without USA will be exactly in the same position as Europe are now that Trump is the President. Stopping the war now does not mean Putin doesn’t get Ukraine. Quite the opposite.

kattaduck · 01/03/2025 22:56

DuncinToffee · 01/03/2025 22:24

Here is an example
https://bsky.app/profile/muschelschloss.bsky.social/post/3ljdnlcoou22n

"NOW: Crowd chants "#Zelenskyy is a hero" outside of #Tesla Dealership in Manhattan as Anti-Elon protesters occupy the inside."

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I have never said that there aren't any protests.
But as I said more than 75mio voted against Trump. But only thousands protested.
For me any number under a million rightfully proves that most Americans either don't care or approve. If those protests grow I will certainly believe you.

DuncinToffee · 01/03/2025 23:01

Times Square

https://bsky.app/profile/maks23.bsky.social/post/3ljduhajwmk2k

DuncinToffee · 01/03/2025 23:03

kattaduck · 01/03/2025 22:56

I have never said that there aren't any protests.
But as I said more than 75mio voted against Trump. But only thousands protested.
For me any number under a million rightfully proves that most Americans either don't care or approve. If those protests grow I will certainly believe you.

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It starts small

It would be unrealistic to expect mass protests when as you said so many people voted for Trump

kattaduck · 01/03/2025 23:04

"The only justification of going to war and financing it is when your own country is being invaded and you need to defend it. Otherwise, it is interfering into someone else's affairs, fuelling and prolonging the war."

Well if every country only fights for itself that means that every country is more vulnerable.
Which in turm means every country has to spend even more on defense.

Also why would Europe attack Russia? Putin is not an idiot hw knows that was never going to happen. It has always been about Russian influence and the more countries turning towards Western democracy the more power is lost. That is not Western media those are just the facts.

kattaduck · 01/03/2025 23:09

DuncinToffee · 01/03/2025 23:03

It starts small

It would be unrealistic to expect mass protests when as you said so many people voted for Trump

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Well I hope it starts small.
But my hope in the US is understandably shaky right now so let's see.
And no I don't think a million protesters is unrealistic if as said opposition is that strong.
I wouldn't judge individual Americans but right now I think the number of Americans who actively stand up against Trump are too small sorry. And I would say the same about my own country if people here wouldn't be willing to stand up either.

DuncinToffee · 01/03/2025 23:26

kattaduck · 01/03/2025 23:09

Well I hope it starts small.
But my hope in the US is understandably shaky right now so let's see.
And no I don't think a million protesters is unrealistic if as said opposition is that strong.
I wouldn't judge individual Americans but right now I think the number of Americans who actively stand up against Trump are too small sorry. And I would say the same about my own country if people here wouldn't be willing to stand up either.

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Oh, I know what you mean. It really feels like, fuck America, what have you done.

SeriaMau · 01/03/2025 23:47

Rosesducks · 01/03/2025 17:41

but that's only when every single thing is the same, as sometimes you have to take a risk, what's the alternative wave after wave of body's , then what and victory at what cost ? if Europe burns as a result then what ?

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You may recollect that the last time Europe burned was direct result of appeasement.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 01/03/2025 23:48

joysexreno · 01/03/2025 21:57

I am American. Where do you expect to hear these Americans shouting from? Republicans and billionaires now control the entire government and basically all major US news outlets. Or do you mean the Americans of Mumsnet should come here and complain?

Everyone I personally know who isn't a Trumper is being vocal, but we don't exactly have great opportunities to share our views.

Also, Trump people are very frightening and their leader has made it clear that he will condone crushing any dissenters, so it's quite terrifying. My little brother is now unwilling to talk politics on WhatsApp due to Meta's alignment. It's quickly becoming a fascist state.

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I'd be out marching in the street personally. Are there mass demonstrations in the US? They aren't getting reported if they're happening.

Or are you saying that things have now deteriorated in the US to such an extent that people are terrified to go out and protest. Has anyone actually tried?

Rosesducks · 01/03/2025 23:49

SeriaMau · 01/03/2025 23:47

You may recollect that the last time Europe burned was direct result of appeasement.

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But you dont fall in the same river twice, events were different yes appeasement, has the same meaning but if other factors are different then it does not auto mean history with be the same

Reetpetitenot · 02/03/2025 00:03

Rosesducks · 01/03/2025 23:49

But you dont fall in the same river twice, events were different yes appeasement, has the same meaning but if other factors are different then it does not auto mean history with be the same

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So what do you think will happen if Ukraine accede to everything Prump/Tutin are demanding? Do you think it'll stop there? Or do you think it will give the diabolical pair the confidence to start making demands of other countries?

Rosesducks · 02/03/2025 00:08

Reetpetitenot · 02/03/2025 00:03

So what do you think will happen if Ukraine accede to everything Prump/Tutin are demanding? Do you think it'll stop there? Or do you think it will give the diabolical pair the confidence to start making demands of other countries?

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The past does not always dictate the future, but we’d be wise not to ignore it either.

Reugny · 02/03/2025 01:51

OldBun58 · 01/03/2025 22:29

I hope you all realise that any political event or war is being presented by the media of every country according the political orientation of that country's government.
The West is scared of Russia, but Russia is scared of NATO being along its borders. The war in Ukrain for Russia is about preventing Ukrain from joining NATO and having NATO forces on the Russian borders.

For Putin it is not about invading Europe next, but about being paranoid about Europe invading Russia.
The European media has blown things out of proportion. Meanwhile, huge sums are wasted on fuelling pointless war and causing endless casualties, whilst there is a great shortage of resources to sort out endless domestic problems and ever increasing poverty. The money that could be spent on developing own economy and prosperity.
The only justification of going to war and financing it is when your own country is being invaded and you need to defend it. Otherwise, it is interfering into someone else's affairs, fuelling and prolonging the war. Nobody benefits from it except weapons manufacturers. Everybody else loses big time.
This is what most people think but would not publically admit it.

Then you like Putin has missed the fact Finland - look it up on a map - which has a large border with Russia has joined NATO since Russia's invasion "special operation" in Ukraine.

If you are going to talk nonsense make sure you have checked your geography and recent history.

Reugny · 02/03/2025 01:53

Rosesducks · 01/03/2025 23:49

But you dont fall in the same river twice, events were different yes appeasement, has the same meaning but if other factors are different then it does not auto mean history with be the same

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"History doesn't repeat itself but it does rhyme."

marena1 · 02/03/2025 02:39

Arrivals4lucky · 01/03/2025 15:10

Vance is an insecure fuckwit, Trump is a megalomaniac and Putin is a dictator… someone’s got to stand up to this trinity of bullies.

You forgot Musk. Who I actually think is the most insane of the lot of them. How did we get here? What a feckup

joysexreno · 02/03/2025 02:50

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/01/ukraine-protests-zelenskyy-trump

Maybe the protests just don't get much news coverage? Newspapers are largely dead. Local news with an actual staff is largely dead.

marena1 · 02/03/2025 03:06

ExIssues · 01/03/2025 21:20

You are not understanding what's at stake here.
Think about ww2.
Britain did not get involved when Hitler invaded Austria or Czechoslovakia. Because it was politically unpopular to go to war, politicians wanted to stay out of it, felt it wasn't our business.
We did get involved when they invaded Poland. Thank goodness we didn't wait longer, although it's a shame we didn't respond much more quickly as it might have stopped the whole thing. Following your argument we would have stayed out of it until Hitler controlled the whole of the European mainland and actually attacked Britain by which time it would have been too late to stop him. As it is we only won with Russia and the US - we would have been nowhere without allies. This is why we need to stand together with allied countries. It's stupid to think we have any power on our own.

It's really not about do-gooding to the Ukrainians. It's about preserving peace in Europe.

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Cough cough and Australia in both world wars. Look into per capita. Over 60k men lost out of a population less than 5 million. We are supporting Ukraine too. They apparently love our 4wds . Plus millions of dollars. I know this site is based in London so it's understanable it is so Eurocentric. But the country with the most lithium reserves is Chile, Second is Australia. So if everybody lets 4 narcissitic men rule the world there isn't going to be a safe place to live.
Oh and Trump can go and get fucked with his"nice of you to get dressed up" to Z.
Seriously world is fucked, and I'm about to have a grandchiild, a boy , I can't imagine what kind of shitshow the world will be in 18 years. And I have 4 boys. They aren't going to war. Every mother should say that and that's the end of it. Fucking wanker men.

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OldBun58 · 02/03/2025 06:05

Reugny · 02/03/2025 01:51

Then you like Putin has missed the fact Finland - look it up on a map - which has a large border with Russia has joined NATO since Russia's invasion "special operation" in Ukraine.

If you are going to talk nonsense make sure you have checked your geography and recent history.

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Finland joined NATO only a year ago under pressure from Europe. Before that it always had a very good relationship with Russia. There was a recent documentary about it

countrygirl99 · 02/03/2025 06:19

Finland didn't join because of pressure from Europe but because Russia's behaviour in invading Ukraine suddenly made not being a member look a less good choice..

Reugny · 02/03/2025 06:48

OldBun58 · 02/03/2025 06:05

Finland joined NATO only a year ago under pressure from Europe. Before that it always had a very good relationship with Russia. There was a recent documentary about it

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Finland joined NATO due to the Russian invasion in Ukraine, Russian interference in its infrastructure and remembering it's history.

Finland had no previous interest in joining NATO before that due to the not insignificant number of Russians that visited and live in the country.

You forget that people in small nations with a high level of education, which includes foreign language ability, know their country's history and gather their information on geopolitical news from a wide number of sources.

SardinesOnGingerbread · 02/03/2025 06:58

Foodtimeisit · 01/03/2025 13:13

I didn't realise there are so many war hungry people here.
I think the solution should be diplomatic negotiations and peace.

You do realise that people don't protect their own country just because they really fancy a ruck, right?