To think Britain should have nothing to do with this war

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After yesterday's news, Britain shouldn't be the one funding war as USA has said they are out now. There's no chance Britain can fight this war alone with Ukraine against Russia.
Since this war started, our life has only become miserable with CoL increase.
AIBU to think we shouldn't have anything to do this war and we should fix our own problems first before giving away our tax money?

This!

Hitler justified taking bits of other countries because they “used to be part of Germany” and look where that led.

Can you imagine how the world would react if the UK tried to take over somewhere like India because it used to be part of the British Empire? That’s the same logic that Hitler used and now is the same logic that Russia is using. It can’t be appeased.

I mean getting involved in politics or take to the streets is an option?
And I know this is happening but clearly not in big numbers.

This!

My goodness OP, please consider that whilst nobody "wants" this war, to give into Putin is an unthinkable option.

Even if you are doing this for free, he's getting a poor return on his investment, that's for sure.

If you were Ukrainian, or Zelenskyy, why should you be willing to give up one inch of your country to Russia because the USA says you should. And also be more thankful, and give up 50% of your rare minerals.

If France decided to invade the England because it historically had one ruler 600 years ago, would everyone in the UK just shrug their shoulders and say "meh, seems fair". I doubt it, so why should Ukrainians be expected to do the same?

Terrifying.

As awful as it is watching Trump as a Brit, it must be 10000 times worse actually being governed by him.

I’ve been very proud of Starmer this week, and if he continues in this vein I will vote for him at the next election.

I am not talking about whether Americans want universal healthcare or not. I'm addressing OP's statement that she'd rather the money spent on the NHS rather than defence and security. My point is that you need a country first before worrying about welfare programs.

@Petricia @MasterBeth he cannot win Ukraine they are in a war of attrition. What on earth makes you think he would dare to touch nato soil?

Yes - the USA is quickly becoming a Fascist state. Press is controlled by the government, Putin has his mad MAGA thugs 'pardoned' after attacking their seat of democracy and the police. He keeps repeating God is on his side and the extreme fundamentalist Christians cheer him in and he talks like it's his 'manifest destiny' to sieze land from Canada, Greenland, Panama etc etc. Trump and Musk are clearly dangerously insane.

You have to be quite daft to think that people want to have a war when there is a REAL option of negotiations and long lasting piece.

read a little on negotiations and peace with Hitler and how it went for all involved.

first of all, Russia isn’t offering peace. They want to continue to occupy whatever they grabbed, with no reparations and no guarantees of long lasting peace.
second, you can’t really trust Putin anyway, so a promise of peace is not enough either.

Even if you are doing this for free, he's getting a poor return on his investment, that's for sure

You think seized Russian assets should just be doled out to willy nilly by the UK govt? There are rules, which luckily the UK is willing to abide by.

Did you mean Trump?

Go look at substack, which is apart from mainstream American media. From Scott Dworkin:

“Speaking of JD Vance—planned protests forced him to cancel his original hotel booking and change venues for a ski trip in Vermont this weekend. Multiple demonstrations are scheduled to go forward today anyway.
In Kentucky, students from 8 universities protested against Trump’s order to end DEI programs. “I think the biggest misconception here is that this is about tilting a playing field,” Political Science Professor David Niven said. “When in reality, it’s about untilting it, making sure that universities are open to all.”
“Tesla Takedown” protests are gaining steam around the country, as hundreds of people marched to Tesla’s Palo Alto, CA headquarters on Friday. Last week, we also saw demonstrations in Charlotte, Ft. Lauderdale, San Francisco, Seattle, and many other cities. It’s estimated that there have been events like these at over 100 locations—including charging stations, showrooms and dealerships—across the world.
Following an enormous public outcry, the maga club at The Villages in Florida canceled an event with pardoned Jan 6 rioters—planned for yesterday. Thank you to all the folks who spoke out against this unhinged nonsense.
The Democratic National Committee filed a lawsuit yesterday, blasting Trump’s “illegal executive order ending free and fair elections.” The DNC statement said: “Democrats will use every tool at our disposal, including aggressively confronting Trump’s illegal actions in the courts.”
Lastly, Sen. Bernie Sanders slammed Jeff Bezos for announcing that The Washington Post was going to make its opinion pages essentially more Republican: “This is what Oligarch ownership of the media looks like: The second-richest guy in the world, Bezos, owns WaPo. He has now declared that the editorial page of that paper is going Trump right-wing. Surprise, Mr. Musk agrees. We must support independent media.”

Exactly, thank god someone on here can see what it's really about.

Here is an example
https://bsky.app/profile/muschelschloss.bsky.social/post/3ljdnlcoou22n

"NOW: Crowd chants "#Zelenskyy is a hero" outside of #Tesla Dealership in Manhattan as Anti-Elon protesters occupy the inside."

And another one

Big protest against the Musk-Trump axis outside SpaceX headquarters.

No, they really can’t.

I think Putin only wants Ukraine.
And a bit of Georgia. And Transnistria. And Chechnya. I don't think he believes in Kazakhstan being a real country either? And he's not really letting go of Belarus...

Did you mean Trump?

oops - I did.
getting hard to tell the difference between Putin and Trump

I hope you all realise that any political event or war is being presented by the media of every country according the political orientation of that country's government.
The West is scared of Russia, but Russia is scared of NATO being along its borders. The war in Ukrain for Russia is about preventing Ukrain from joining NATO and having NATO forces on the Russian borders.

For Putin it is not about invading Europe next, but about being paranoid about Europe invading Russia.
The European media has blown things out of proportion. Meanwhile, huge sums are wasted on fuelling pointless war and causing endless casualties, whilst there is a great shortage of resources to sort out endless domestic problems and ever increasing poverty. The money that could be spent on developing own economy and prosperity.
The only justification of going to war and financing it is when your own country is being invaded and you need to defend it. Otherwise, it is interfering into someone else's affairs, fuelling and prolonging the war. Nobody benefits from it except weapons manufacturers. Everybody else loses big time.
This is what most people think but would not publically admit it.

'For Putin it is not about invading Europe next, but about being paranoid about Europe invading Russia.'

Well, Putin's definitely paranoid. Over all of the period of the cold war, and over the last 25 years since Putin's been in power or proxy power, there hasn't been a whisper of Europe invading Russia. So Putin's paranoia has caused all this.

The fact that Russia's allies in the White House are happy to loosen their ties to NATO.

Russia's foreign policy goals for decades have been to dismantle the EU and NATO. Brexit and Trump are signs of their success.

How deliciously naïve. Putin effectively wants the USSR back as a buffer between Russia and NATO. Some of those countries are already effectively Russian puppet governments (eg, Belarus, Georgia etc), some are having their politics seriously meddled with by Russia (Armenia, Serbia etc) and some are being outright invaded (Ukraine).

Crimea was the first overt move because of its strategic importance regarding access to the Sea of Azov plus the many ex-USSR military bases there. Ukraine was next because it was a country bordering Russia that wasn't under explicit/implicit Russian control. If Putin gets away with invading Ukraine it won't be the last and only the terminally short-sighted would think so.

@OldBun58
Well according to Wikipedia, "Notably, on a press conference on 28 May 2002 NATO Summit, president Putin was asked about Ukraine's intention to join NATO and answered that "our position on expansion of NATO is known, but Ukraine should not stand aside of the global processes to strengthen the world security and, as a sovereign country, it's able to make its own choices in ensuring its security". He also added he "doesn't see anything controversial or hostile" in Ukraine's plans."
NATO and Russia cooperated, against terrorism, trafficking etc...
But then Putin went full on authoritarian:
"2005–2006
In the years 2005–2006, Russia undertook several hostile trade actions directed against Ukraine and the Western countries (see #Trade and economy below). Several highly publicised murders of Putin's opponents also occurred in Russia in that period, marking his increasingly authoritarian rule and his tightening grip on the media (see #Ideology and propaganda below).
In 2006, Russian intelligence performed an assassination on the territory of a NATO member state. On 1 November 2006, Alexander Litvinenko, a British-naturalised Russian defector and former officer of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) who specialised in tackling organized crime and advised British intelligence and coined the term "mafia state", suddenly fell ill and was hospitalised after poisoning with polonium-210; he died from the poisoning on 23 November."
Etc etc etc...
Basically NATO is the scapegoat and Putin a dangerous murderer. HTH.