To think Britain should have nothing to do with this war

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After yesterday's news, Britain shouldn't be the one funding war as USA has said they are out now. There's no chance Britain can fight this war alone with Ukraine against Russia.
Since this war started, our life has only become miserable with CoL increase.
AIBU to think we shouldn't have anything to do this war and we should fix our own problems first before giving away our tax money?

So much egg there’s no pudding at all.

You are not understanding what's at stake here.
Think about ww2.
Britain did not get involved when Hitler invaded Austria or Czechoslovakia. Because it was politically unpopular to go to war, politicians wanted to stay out of it, felt it wasn't our business.
We did get involved when they invaded Poland. Thank goodness we didn't wait longer, although it's a shame we didn't respond much more quickly as it might have stopped the whole thing. Following your argument we would have stayed out of it until Hitler controlled the whole of the European mainland and actually attacked Britain by which time it would have been too late to stop him. As it is we only won with Russia and the US - we would have been nowhere without allies. This is why we need to stand together with allied countries. It's stupid to think we have any power on our own.

It's really not about do-gooding to the Ukrainians. It's about preserving peace in Europe.

My perspective is if our government keeps moaning about being unable to spend money on making our NHS or other public services better then we are in no position to fund any war, full stop.

like a promise from a liar

this from someone who said zelensky started the war…oh my days

It’s cheaper to fight a war by proxy than spending your own blood (or those of your sons) on the battlefield. Be under no illusion that winter is coming.

It's about preserving peace in Europe

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You’re posting crap on a public forum - what’s that if not freedom of speech?

Really OP - are you serious? You are fretting your cost of living might go up while Ukrainians are fighting and dying trying to protect their right to live free of Russian terror? You do remember North Korea are helping the Russians - a more tyrannical state is hard to imagine. If that is too recent - you have heard of Hitler invading Czechoslovakia and then Poland and then what happened next?

Of course we have to support Ukraine - they are the frontline of Europe against the totalitarian regime of Russia. We either stand for freedom and democracy or we do not.

The USA right now is standing with Russia - President Trump-Musk cannot be trusted. They have no moral principles. For them only money is important. The treatment of Zelenskyy was appalling. The fact that TASS (Russias news agency) was in the White House while Reuters was banned tells you so much about what way the USA is heading.

Yes - we need to support Ukraine. We may suffer a bit of discomfort on the home front or may even lose some lives defending the democratic right of a friendly country - but the reality is that is what happens if a just peace cannot be found by peaceful negotiation. We can never bow down to bullies. Can you imagine if Hitler and the Nazis had been allowed to carry on without the intervention of other countries - shudder at the thought.

It's not a good message to relay to dictators that we won't stand alongside each other. The Defence Strategy Council has already stated that the US would be unlikely to win a future war against China/Russia.

Who's the liar?
And why wouldn't Ukraine help the UK?
Do you have any sources for this?
There have been clear lies on this thread, not opinions. Zelensky hasn't started the war and is not a dictator that is just as factually untrue as the sky being green.
So why would somebody peddle this unless they are a Russian bot?
What is your answer to this?

The US has the world's mightiest military force without universal healthcare. They spend most of their money on defence. Some may think it's more important that you have a secure country first, before you think of tax payer funded programs. Europe has been able to have a robust healthcare and social safety net precisely because they've relied on the US's military instead of focusing on their own. Now it's time for Europe to step up.

Oh - as for the Russian apologists on this thread and others, We remember you killed people on British soil with your poisons and nerve agents. We don't trust you and your government is clearly afraid of its own people - and it's why you clamp down on free speech and rig elections. The USA needs to be fearful of their President - he is u stable, unpredictable and ill educated. He is a thumping ignorant bully.

USA hasn't built mighty army by borrowing money from others

Reform is currently topping the UK polls. They will gain popularity with or without Russia’s (apparent) backing.

No? Why is the US $36 trillion in debt then?

Are you implying all European countries have borrowed to build their defence? You are entitled to think that Britain should have nothing to do with this. But your rationals are quite weak.

They exist and are popular because of russian backing. They are not independent.

@TwinklyPearlPoster
Does he? I heard it from politicians from my country. And it is true. First of all we would rather have a long border with Ukraine than Russia, feels safer that way.
Secondly, it is very, very naive to think that Putin will stop if we give him Ukraine.
Why do you think Finland panic joined NATO?

Tell me you know nothing about the US economy without saying you know nothing about US economy.

In any event polls are meaningless with an election over four years away. I suspect Reform may not even exist by the next election.

It's not his war

His country was invaded by barbarians.

HTH

I hope you're right but why do you think this? Farage is a very persistent character. I think the only way reform will go is if the Tories move further right or amalgamate with them. Voters are unfortunately easily led and badly educated

If Putin isn't stopped we might not have a country never mind an NhS,

I don't understand the "he won't stop at Ukraine" arguments.

Ukraine isn't in nato and won't be in putin time.
We can't help Ukraine as much as we want too eg with air power and certain equipment because they are not in nato and we have to be careful.

Russia has endless bodies to chuck into this war from without and within. They are still selling oil around the globe and last time I checked to the eu??

Ukraine is fighting with one arm behind its back due to lack of power, people and nukes.
Stopping this war means putin doesn't get Ukraine, win.
He won't go after anywhere else because they are protected by nato.
If Russia hit any nato country, Estonia etc they will be be hit instantly? Why would putin increase his war footprint if he is struggling in Ukraine??

I don't believe for one moment Ukraine can win like this at all. But I believe they may have a chance to hold him back if they make the peace then get USA in.