To think Trump is right

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Watching the press conference last night which descended into an argument

I can't help think Trump was right and made good points

Thousands of troops are dying and being seriously injured every month

Trump wants it to stop

There are thousands of people who have children alive today who will not be alive tomorrow because of this war

They are clearly in a stalemate and soldiers are now dying untill peace terms are made as no side can win on the battlefield

Trump as brutal as it sounds was being realistic about what peace would be like

Ukraine has to be realistic

If Ukraine sign the rare earth deal with America then America will have a stake in Ukraine and they should then get a better security deal

Trump has not agreed what that is yet, it's clear he wants the European's to form a big part of that

The European's want American troops and for good reason

But this has to stop and the only way it will stop is by peace negotiations

And these have to be realistic and Trump is saying it as it is

Just repeating below a comment I made upthread - who do you think it's more important to resist, US or Russia? And what makes you so sure that if it comes to it, Europe can realistically stand against the USA (who have military bases and nuclear weapons stationed in the UK and central Europe)?

The greatest lie of the 20th century is that somehow we should fear Russia and not the USA. As if US involvement in anything is any better than Russia. The US control the world - they have established military bases in UK and Central Europe, in Japan and South Korea etc. America is the real danger to the world and always have been. We have seen this play out in the middle east and asia.

America have invaded a lot more countries than Russia in recent history - somehow we in Europe think that's ok though because those countries were not close to home.

Trump is just doing what the US have always done behind closed doors - except now he's televising it as a reality TV show for the world to see. Obama presided over 10 times more drone strikes than Bush. He was just better at pretending to want peace.

Right now Ukraine need to pick their evil (US or Russia)- but it won't do them or Europe any service to be naive and outraged at the US acting American.

Just repeating below a comment I made upthread - who do you think it's more important to resist, US or Russia?

It seems that the US and Russia are now on the same side.

Shame on you for even thinking and writing this post.

If France did the same to us and took over Kent (for example) should we all just listen to Trump and give Kent to France after Starmer got a serious dressing down from the President and VP of our closest ally for not capitulating?

Your view is a very removed biased view and shameful.

Then you're either a bloody idiot or think you're being funny.

But why should Zelenskyy trust any deals when previous ones are now being ignored? Sadly it isn’t as simple as signing the deal and all being well.

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From 1:08 (Kamala Harris talking about how she has handled the conflict vs Trump)

As I understand it, this has always been a proxy war against Russia (Putin himself has said this). Yes, Europe and the US have 'helped' Ukraine, but as part of a greater war against Russian expansion into Europe.

The risk seems to be that if Ukraine is left to the mercy of Putin, Poland will be next.

I agree, but it can buy you more time to get ready to better defend yourself.

It's time to end this war. The war has been in stalemate for a long time now. End the bloodshed, the displacement and volatile energy rates.

It seems that the US and Russia are now on the same side.

Yes, until Russia's interests no longer serve the USA. Like Russia, the US will only be acting in whatever it perceives to be its own interests. And will only be an "ally" for as long as it serves their foreign policy and economic ambitions.

It's interesting times politically but very concerning for Europe. Particularly given that China also seem to be softly aligned with Russia. Who knows what's really going on.

What did you quote? It's been deleted.

Trump needs to pressure putin to stop killing people and give back land he took by force

Actually, that's another bit of disinformation. The US may be the largest individual donor, but Europe as a whole has spent more.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crew8y7pwd5o

I don't think it was wise for Zelenskyy to attend that farcical excuse for a meeting, and he would have known it was a massive trap, but I don't think he had any other viable choice. I don't think he went with the intention of embarrassing Americans (let's face it, Trump does that all by himself). If Zelenskyy hadn't gone, Trump would have used that as the stick to beat him with, accusing him of not attending because he doesn't want peace.

There's every reason why the world's superpowers should work to get along, but this absolutely should not be by using other sovereign nations in their game play. You give an inch and the unscrupulous take a mile. And Trump shows every sign of trying to unscruple Vlad at every opportunity.

The post I quoted called out the OP for their intentions

Your post OP is one of the most concerning I have read in over 21 years on MN , I am relieved to see there is not much support for your view point on here and hope a few of the votes supporting you hit the wrong button my mistake.

My thoughts are with the Ukrainian people and but also for those in the US who don’t support Trump and watched this thinking WTF is happening to my country.

Yes we should, time to forget about the Yanks and move on.

You've proven to be no friend of the UK or Europe.

I can support Ukraine and want peace in Ukraine

No country is going to enter the war to support Ukraine

Ukraine can not push Russia back out the country

The war needs to end

Robert Reich, the former US secretary of labor, is calling the USA-Russian alliance the axis of evil

What was usa offering Ukraine in that deal for something worth apparently trillions to the usa- more than the help they have provided so far.

Zelensky came in to negotiate a deal, not to just sign something that Trump had written & decided what the terms were.

It was advertised by Trump that Ukraine would get help from the US if the minerals agreement was signed, but refused to put that into the agreement. As it stood, Ukraine would be signing away mineral rights with nothing promised in return, a win-win for the US

There was nothing in the minerals agreement that said Ukraine would definitely get what was being offered for the mineral rights (security), just that they definitely wouldn't if they didn't sign and that the US would consider it favourably if they did sign unless/until the US changed their mind.

Sort of like saying "if you don't let me live in your house I won't pay you for it, and I'll think about whether I pay you if you do let me".

Whole heartedly agree OP. I feel for Ukraine who were put up to this by NATO, but it has to stop.

Russia, Putin was the aggressor. So it's perfectly straightforward, the aggressor needs to withdrawn their troops back to their own country. That isn't going to happen because Putin wants to recreate Russia as the soviet superpower it once was. That means retaking all European territory that was previously part of the USSR. That's a threat to all of Europe. And therefore to us. Trump wants Ukrainian resources, specifically their rare earth elements. He isn't a peacemaker, he's opportunistic. Neither of them, Putin or Trump will stop. It's disingenuous for Trump, more specifically that snake JD Vance, to portray themselves as peacemakers or problem solvers. They have no interest on anything other than self. They have no regard for democracy, for honesty or for courage. They want to raid Ukraine's natural resources, Putin wants Ukraine. Not much of a difference there.

In theory I agree with you. People shouldn't be dying like this. But in reality this would mean appeasing Putin - who will take it as a victory and carry on elsewhere. I don't think that is a solution.

And I have no idea why Trump is being soft on Putin and hard on Zelensky. Probably itching to get his hands on the rare earth minerals for as less as possible (and family contracts to dig it out and sell it on)