To think Trump is right

[Donotpanicoknowpanic]

Watching the press conference last night which descended into an argument

I can't help think Trump was right and made good points

Thousands of troops are dying and being seriously injured every month

Trump wants it to stop

There are thousands of people who have children alive today who will not be alive tomorrow because of this war

They are clearly in a stalemate and soldiers are now dying untill peace terms are made as no side can win on the battlefield

Trump as brutal as it sounds was being realistic about what peace would be like

Ukraine has to be realistic

If Ukraine sign the rare earth deal with America then America will have a stake in Ukraine and they should then get a better security deal

Trump has not agreed what that is yet, it's clear he wants the European's to form a big part of that

The European's want American troops and for good reason

But this has to stop and the only way it will stop is by peace negotiations

And these have to be realistic and Trump is saying it as it is

1000% agreed. I bloody love Trump and we desperately need that leadership here. I agree with every. Single. One. Of his views.

@RingoJuice
Do you think Trump and Vance's behaviour was acceptable?

Trump has never been right about anything in his life, other than inadvertently.

You are as unreasonable as it is possible to be

It is good to know that MN emphatically disagrees with the OP here.

Have you seen the latest polls that say more than half of people who left Ukraine in the last 2 years have absolutely no intention of going ‘home’. These people have moved on, they don’t care about their own country so why should anyone else? Thousands of people are dying every day for land even Ukrainians have no desire to live on. Trump was right, it’s pointless.

The whole conference was a choreographed ambush and nothing else. Trump and the US administration is a disgrace. History teaches us that appeasement at all costs does not end well.

@RingoJuice what do you think will happen next?

Even if we were stupid enough to do that, Europe, inc the UK would be flooded with 10s of millions of refugees, not just Ukrainian but Poles, Latvians Estonians etc etc

How exactly do we stop Russia in its quest to re establish its previous Soviet borders?

This is along the same lines as ‘can’t you afford a suit?’.

Easy way to stop the war is for Putin to withdraw. Simples. But no-let’s bully the little guy and try to force him to pay for being invaded and give away parts of his country and his people for the joy of stopping a war he didn’t start.

I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but from the clips I saw, they were just talking over Zelensky and not even letting him speak, unbelievable.

There will probably be riots here if this state visit goes ahead.

This.

No security guarantee but wanted the rare earth minerals.

Vile man

YABU to suggest anyone but England is allowed to bully their way into controlling /pillaging other countries.

We’ve literally just bribed the orange one with a party invite from the family who continue to enjoy their shiny crowns and palaces they got from enslaving millions of people . But please everyone, do continue to be outraged at someone following our shiny Imperialist example .

"....they should then get a better security deal"
I think its fair they can negotiate will get a better security deal. Who signs a deal to hand over resources but just crosses their fingers they get what they need for peace.

And trump at the end-“That made great TV” He forgets it is not the fucking apprentice, its RL and affecting millions of people Twat

It is never ever pointless to fight and resist aggressive invaders especially those who have poisoned people in our own country.

All these Trump surrender monkeys. Weak. Without integrity.

So you think countries are invaded and destroyed should have to give up anything of value that that have left, things they'll need to rebuild, rather than have the aggressors have to pay for it somehow. Like Russia in this case, with all their frozen money in accounts around the world.

It's like asking the families of Nazi survivors to pay for their 'freedom' at the end of WWII with anything left they had of value or to give up any rights to the items of value that were stolen from them.

It's like asking Britain to give up it's coal mines to the states at the end of WWII because the allies received help from the states towards the end of the war.

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And leave us alone

You are pathetic, OP.

@Donotpanicoknowpanic More to the point, did you actually go to any school?? the CORRECT word you were meaning to use was "underlying" not "underlaying"! the CORRECT word you are looking for is "Their" not "there"!! If you are going to try to correct someone, please make sure you are also able to do it correctly!!

Zelensky was clearly trying to put Trump on the spot and push for a security guarantee. They were correct in firmly shutting that down, but perhaps Vance got too heated.

Z had to remember that Ukraine has never been a popular cause in America and even sending money is a source of domestic tension. A security guarantee is a total nonstarter.

I find Europeans are VERY enthusiastic supporters of Ukraine so they should really go on without us.

This is a good point. You only have to look at what the US have done in Central and Soth America to realise it's alway been America first.

It really worries me how people are accepting Trump’s vilifying of Zelensky.

@Donotpanicoknowpanic
and what happens when Putin and Trump move onto the next country and the next one?

Putin isn’t a nice next door neighbour. As Zelensky tried to say last night before he was ‘talked’ over by the bullies….every previous red line Putin has ignored. Prisoner exchanges for example.

Ukraine people do not want to be Russia or an extension of Russia. It also needs to protect its own resources to enable it to have something to hopefully once all this is over to use to help its own people. It doesn’t want to be stripped of asset because Trump/Musk want something on the cheap.

It’s a mess because of self entitled MEN who are only out for themselves under the banner of MAGA American people will not gain only a few already billionaires.