To think Trump is right

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Watching the press conference last night which descended into an argument

I can't help think Trump was right and made good points

Thousands of troops are dying and being seriously injured every month

Trump wants it to stop

There are thousands of people who have children alive today who will not be alive tomorrow because of this war

They are clearly in a stalemate and soldiers are now dying untill peace terms are made as no side can win on the battlefield

Trump as brutal as it sounds was being realistic about what peace would be like

Ukraine has to be realistic

If Ukraine sign the rare earth deal with America then America will have a stake in Ukraine and they should then get a better security deal

Trump has not agreed what that is yet, it's clear he wants the European's to form a big part of that

The European's want American troops and for good reason

But this has to stop and the only way it will stop is by peace negotiations

And these have to be realistic and Trump is saying it as it is

This isn’t a platform to push your particular politics. It is supposed to be a discussion forum!

Why would it be insane?

When germany invaded poland,

Other countries attacked Germany. Didn't they?

Every country in Europe has an army.

How on earth did you get the idea that I want to start WWIII by noting that China and Russia (along with North Korea and Iran) are gearing up for it?

Always refreshing to read posts from a thorough realist, Hancox432; we don't have to like how this is playing out, but we might as well address what is happening rather than how we wish it could be

As for your later question as to what the EU's plan is if they no longer have US backing, clearly they don't have one - hence the panicked meetings since Trump was elected, which many foolishly convinced themselves wouldn't happen

As others have said the chances of them actually agreeing any decisive action is practically nil and they'll still be talking when hell freezes over

The Russians. What point are you trying to make?

We don't have much of an army anymore actually. We barely have enough to put boots on the ground to support as a detterant for future invasions and you think we should just attack Russis?

If we hadn't fought WW1 the empires could have potentially collapsed in a worse way, if that's possible. Violence would have come at some point imo. The real mistake was not coming to a peace deal w Germany earlier, which could have been possible.

Bc of the awful loss of life people often think WW1 was in vain, & also there's the argument it caused WW2, but there's a lit more complexity there.

Why are you asking which?

Explain yourself.

@BigDecisionWorthIt

Russia has a piddling little economy and a lot of manpower. We’ve seen how badly they’re done against Ukraine. Considering the relative power and size of the two countries, they’ve embarrassed themselves.

They’re using Iranian drones and North Korean troops. Whatever mistakes may have been made and however unready Europe is, we can scale up more quickly than they can place an order for more drones.

I can't see why people choose to wilfully ignore this.
Russia now spends more than the whole of Europe on military (based on PPP). More than a third of total budget spending is on "defence" (plus another 10% on internal forces and security). This, in % terms, is more than the UK spends on the NHS and social welfare, to give a sense of proportion. The economy is a war economy, and the economic logic is much harder to reverse than the political logic.

That's the point they have a huge advantage of numbers. WE don't

Yes I think we should attack russia!

I've said it twice!

Any time that an aggressor invades a country, it's important to attack them

It should have happened three years ago.

The uk had more backbone in world war 2.

The very minute that germany invaded poland, the UK declared war on Germany.

We are part of Europe.

Are you UK based? It wouldn't just be the UK versus Russia would it.

It would be he majority of Europe versus Russia.

That's insane

You want a nuclear power to declare war on another nuclear power with no hesitation?

Are you sure?

Nope, Europe has not invested enough in defense either.

No it's not.

Attacking a country in insane? Eh you do know that in history many countries have attacked aggressive countries. Right?

Also , use intelligence and actually articulate a point that you want to say,

You haven't added anything of intelligence

Just thank god Bertaboo is not in power. We'd all be blown up by now

So should we just let russia take over all of Europe then?

And do nothing?

Because I've talked to multiple Russian people. And they've told me that's what outing wants to do

I'm not on anyone's side. All these leaders; Trump, Vance, Zelensky, Putin, European leaders have obvious, major flaws. Many mistakes have been made and war should never have started. Unfortunately, allegedly, the US and Johnson for the UK encouraged Zelensky not to sign agreements with Putin before the war started. and assured him of their protection.

However, we are where we are currently. Very few people want more destruction and more deaths. Trump clearly has an entirely different strategy and way of governing to the one used by Biden and for decades before that. People, and particularly world leaders, need to get used to that. They need to try to understand Trump and his objectives and negotiate from a perspective of knowledge and intelligence. It appears that Starmer (I'm no fan) has done this in their recent meeting. Europe is massively weak here and, frankly, they need the US badly, as does Zelensky. Unless they want to side with Russia or China instead. There is a massive change in geopolitics taking place currently.
Trump and Vance behaved like bullies but who is surprised? Zelensky should not have tried to argue with them, his tactics were extremely poor in terms of reaching a peaceful agreement.

There are lots of extremely naive posts on here, suggesting that Putin is the aggressor and the war will therefore stop when he withdraws. That is not going to happen and was never going to happen. Agreements are needed and Ukraine is sadly far more on the back foot than it was just over 3 years ago before this war started.

I think we need to attack putin

If you do mean Putin himself rather than Russia, @Bertaboo, I expect that if there was an effective way to take him out it would already have been done

Obviously I don't know where exactly he is - there's talk of a bunker, though I don't imagine he'd be in it all the time - but either way he'll be pretty well protected by those who'll have "thought of that"

And even if he was removed, what then? He's far from the only evil gangster in Russia, and who's to say we wouldn't get someone just as bad if not worse?

Edited to add I see from following posts that you did mean attack Russia
Good luck with that ...

@AliasGrace47 Bc of the awful loss of life people often think WW1 was in vain, & also there's the argument it caused WW2, but there's a lit more complexity there.

WW1 was fought in vain because we did not learn a damn thing from it.

And thank God you're not in power.

You said that we should "appease putin".

Why should we appease a dictator who has invaded and killed many?

You wrote a disgusting post.

I don't know why you believe that? Certainly Hungary presents an issue, but others certainly would fight and are incredibly patriotic about their own countries. Whilst NATO countries can't send troops into Ukraine yet (I stress yet), they have supported in other ways, like training Ukrainians, working with the Ukrainians on rebuilding efforts and infrastructure protection etc.

You think the UK should start WW3? Seriously?

I guess you don't enjoy your life here as the UK could easily be destroyed. We are not a world power anymore. We have little in the way of defence. People really need to wake up!