To think Trump is right

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Watching the press conference last night which descended into an argument

I can't help think Trump was right and made good points

Thousands of troops are dying and being seriously injured every month

Trump wants it to stop

There are thousands of people who have children alive today who will not be alive tomorrow because of this war

They are clearly in a stalemate and soldiers are now dying untill peace terms are made as no side can win on the battlefield

Trump as brutal as it sounds was being realistic about what peace would be like

Ukraine has to be realistic

If Ukraine sign the rare earth deal with America then America will have a stake in Ukraine and they should then get a better security deal

Trump has not agreed what that is yet, it's clear he wants the European's to form a big part of that

The European's want American troops and for good reason

But this has to stop and the only way it will stop is by peace negotiations

And these have to be realistic and Trump is saying it as it is

Who is "the world" ?

When was the last time ‘appeasing Putin’ prevented further aggression?

Russia are very much gearing up for a World War.

So are China.

Thanks. But what can MN do about actual bots and shills? Social media is the new frontline and swaying and manipulating people opinions is part of modern warfare. It can’t be easy moderating a site like this in this climate and I understand why accusing posters of being bad faith actors might not be ideal but bad faith actors are something that we as a society really need to get on top of. It’s not as if bots and paid shills don’t exist.

I hope this doesn’t earn me a suspension.

There was a chemical weapons attack on British soil that killed British citizens.

An “assassination” with such reckless disregard for life that random people were killed by a foreign government and the health authorities said it was only luck that more people didn’t die.

I don’t have a good answer for what should happen next but there’s only so many times you can tell yourself that this is the last time and he will change if you just give him a bit more of what he wants.

Ok then. I see your point, because they are gearing for war we may aswell just start WW3 first eh?

You're quite right. And it's why the Baltics, amongst others, have increased their defence budget and are urging NATO countries, with financial backing from the EU, to increase their weapons stockpiles faster.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/defence/news/eu-wants-member-states-to-reach-arms-stockpiles-targets-seven-years-early/

https://eda.europa.eu/news-and-events/news/2025/01/22/new-eda-head-kallas-calls-for-eu-single-market-for-defence

I'd disagree. I think continuing to escalate this conflict to a war of attrition and targeting Russian infrastructure on the Russian mainland that benefits NATO is risking war.

How long does using NATO made high capability missiles continue until Russia swipes back?
How long until they justifiably target our infrastructure... for example the facilities that produce Stormshadow or assist in its usage?

Targeting infrastructure on the Russian mainland doesn't necessarily benefit Ukraine. It's not affecting and changing the FLOT/FLET.
It's something that really just benefits NATO.

With this, Ukraine aren't as great as targeteers as day we are. There are a lot of issues of Ukrainian OWA (one way attack) UAVs hitting Russian civilians and apartment buildings.
How long does this continue until the Russian populace switch opinions and instead of being against the war, start supporting Putin and his goals because now they are seeing it hit themselves.

Z appears to have taken vigorous steps to remove corruption in the country, as it was a condition of NATO candidature

I'd suggest the key issue there is "appears to", @GameofPhones, and NATO conditions for caandidature hardly matter now, when America's veto would instantly stop Ukraine being admitted

Can I ask what work Mumsnet are undertaking to establish the manipulation of their site by bad faith actors and to route this out?

Justine is clearly aware this is happening and that the site is being manipulated in this way - she references trolls and bad faith actors in her own recent posts when Mumsnet removed posts "stirring up conflict" regarding handling of abuse images by the site.

JustineMumsnet 4/2/25
"It's also pretty clear from what we can see behind the scenes that there is an ongoing, coordinated effort from trolls to further inflame these discussions, and cause as much disruption as possible. We are taking steps to remove bad faith actors, but we know this can be frustrating for those who just want to express your views about what happened."
www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/5267612-update-from-mnhq-addressing-the-recent-images-posted-on-the-site

So you know this happens and it is apparently visible 'behind the scenes' according to Justine. For the sake of transparency then please can you advise how you are identifying this when it happens (VPN analysis etc) and what steps you are taking to address it across the platform?

As it is manifestly clear Mumsnet is exploited, targeted and subjected to coordinated efforts to manipulate viewpoints.

This

@AccountCreateUsername because you report a user, they look at posting and stuff then decide.

Ukraine can't win unfortunately and there's no real way of getting around that.

I'm assuming by that you mean that Putin and Xi want to start a WW rather than simply arming themselves in defence?

What evidence do you have that Russia and China are trying to start another WW?

Nobody here wants war.
I imagine in WWII, if they had let Germany take everything, war would have been avoided.

@suggestionsplease1 does that work both ways

I disagree.

We should never appease to an aggressor. He'll want more and more.

When germany invaded poland, did they stop there?

I think we need to attack putin.

Let Germany take everything?

You mean let him take all of Europe?

I don't know what point you are arguing with - Putin did not invade the UK when he tried to poison the Skripals which is why it was not seen as declaring war on NATO. We don't want to see it as declaring war on NATO, just like Putin grumbles about us providing so much support to Ukraine but hasn't actually said he's now at war with NATO.

Both sides are dancing around each other.

Are you insane? Lets just "attack " Russia

Tell that to Putin. He's the one bombing Hospitals and schools, and for what? A land grab.

The countries in this world.

Not one country has intervened in this war yet.

Who do you suggest? America and Russia are not our allies and won't be supporting Europe any time soon.

@akiwi Germany was a slick strong fighting machine with a good amount of public support.

Russia nearly had a coup when that general turned on putin and went to get him.

As far as I am aware there is little support in Russia for this atrocity I don't think it would take much to topple putin once there is a teeny chink in his armour.

Russia is far weaker.

Which countries?