To think Trump is right

[Donotpanicoknowpanic]

Watching the press conference last night which descended into an argument

I can't help think Trump was right and made good points

Thousands of troops are dying and being seriously injured every month

Trump wants it to stop

There are thousands of people who have children alive today who will not be alive tomorrow because of this war

They are clearly in a stalemate and soldiers are now dying untill peace terms are made as no side can win on the battlefield

Trump as brutal as it sounds was being realistic about what peace would be like

Ukraine has to be realistic

If Ukraine sign the rare earth deal with America then America will have a stake in Ukraine and they should then get a better security deal

Trump has not agreed what that is yet, it's clear he wants the European's to form a big part of that

The European's want American troops and for good reason

But this has to stop and the only way it will stop is by peace negotiations

And these have to be realistic and Trump is saying it as it is

They have given more than double the amount the Europeans have
Um no. That's bullshit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crew8y7pwd5o
Scroll down to the pie chart...

Yeah, I guess I said it badly - I was reading the posts upthread that were seeming to be like, well, I don't WANT to die in a war, as if it was like a new phone contract: those terms don't suit me, I'll pick something else. But do they imagine that other people do want to die in wars? Nobody does. It happens anyway.

Hysterics again. This situation needs tactical thinking. Placate Putin, keep US on side and start building up our defenses. Same for Europe....it's time to pay for it and not rely on America. But sticking the finger up to America would be a dumb ass thing to do.

Why is he building up his defence spending, his army, training up North Korean troops and buddying up to China and Iran then?

Can you really not see which way the wind is blowing?

He is Majorie Taylor greens boyfriend she is close to Trump big racist, told one of the uk’s reporters to F off she is a nasty piece of work. He had to do something to ingratiate himself to Trump.

@Susan7654

Actually he has but it's subtle. If you listen to his rambles he does, he bigs up the USA military might and says no one wants to push it.
His very nature will be confusing for kgb agent putin

He said yesterday I can't be rude about putin then get on the phone and say let's make a deal.

Rubio and the team are all aware of putin danger and they will be trying to break the dead lock and manage this.

Biden also had an unpleasant chat with zelensky and asked him to be mote greatful.

They didn’t ’make a sacrifice’. Their sons were ordered to join the war effort and the mothers had no power to intervene. This isn’t about ‘sacrifice’. The fact you think this is a matter of willpower and emotion shows you’re not really up to the debate.

Don't be daft. No one wants to send their sons to die in war.

Why? Because the poster gives a different point of view?

It seems censorship is already starting.

He'd have gone further if he did already

@Donotpanicoknowpanic Zelensky was quickly supported in posts on X by the leaders of France, Sweden, Germany, Ireland, Finland, Denmark, The Netherlands, Austria, Luxembourg, Slovenia, Canada, Croatia, Romania, Poland, the Czech Republic and Portugal, among other nations.

So I think you'll find the world other than Trump and Putin thinks the orange bloke is wrong.

Too late, Trump has already said NATO is over.

If he will not help Ukraine, which is helping Europe in general, he wont lift a finger if Russia went into Estonia.

Exactly.

Delete them all, however, I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Zelensky and Mr. Putin had a little business together.

Shouting down the leader of a war torn country on international TV is the worst form of censorship.

@Catpuss66 @CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo

If I was making such a rude comment I would make sure I looked immaculate, unbelievable that such a man would call out zelensky.
Trump appeared to defend zelensky dress and said he thought he looked good.

The talk of suits sounded very gangster like,
Especially with talk of tough guys.

So he's got China on side and now America...who is he going to start WW3 with ? None of them can be arsed with Europe.

And no, women won’t be conscripted. Men will not fight if there is nothing to protect at home.

I have never voted YABU so fast in my life

@ZooAccountant Maybe.
But he does want to control more and more neighbouring countries He’s got Georgia, Belarus, now is aiming for Ukraine. When do we say ‘that’s enough”?
Do we give him all the countries, which were controlled by USSR? Shall we give him East Germany as well?

@Wildflowers99 this isn't the Oxford debating club it's mumsnet where people come to chat

@juldan how will he take them when he can't get Ukraine

World War 3 and you're wondering who will be involved?

You sound like we are back in the 1930s. Appeasement never works.
Putin will carry on with his aim of bringing other countries back into the Russian sphere aka Empire.

True, so Europe need to sort out their defense and not piss off America.

He also needs a lesson in the methods the USA employed concerning conscription to Vietnam. Google McNamaras Morons.