To think Trump is right

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Watching the press conference last night which descended into an argument

I can't help think Trump was right and made good points

Thousands of troops are dying and being seriously injured every month

Trump wants it to stop

There are thousands of people who have children alive today who will not be alive tomorrow because of this war

They are clearly in a stalemate and soldiers are now dying untill peace terms are made as no side can win on the battlefield

Trump as brutal as it sounds was being realistic about what peace would be like

Ukraine has to be realistic

If Ukraine sign the rare earth deal with America then America will have a stake in Ukraine and they should then get a better security deal

Trump has not agreed what that is yet, it's clear he wants the European's to form a big part of that

The European's want American troops and for good reason

But this has to stop and the only way it will stop is by peace negotiations

And these have to be realistic and Trump is saying it as it is

Because that would be NATO declaring war on Russia.

It's a red line that has been tiptoed around by both sides up till now. NATO providing Ukraine with weapons, intelligence, and air support but not boots on the ground.

Russia has also not invaded a NATO country because Putin is also avoiding war with NATO. He obviously attacks NATO countries using cyber warfare, cutting cables, covertly destroying ammunition stockpiles, but again, not boots on the ground.

Yes, I see your point but I still think it gives my boys a better chance than being killed on the front line.

I have been genuinely amazed at how many mothers on here take the line that they would rather their child is conscripted than not fight Putin.

I know I'm in the minority but I cannot change my mind. Nothing is worth stamping out the light of my boys and I don't think I would take any comfort from pondering on the cause-no matter how noble it might be.

I wonder if-and who know if it's possible or not- the government were able to track User Names and turn up at the doors of those-like @C0tt0nCandy who are so pragmatic about lives lost and take their sons first, as they have been so vocal about the bigger picture.

Maybe if that happened, I wouldn't be the only one sitting on The Cowards' Bench.

Whilst I agree with the sentiment and have some fantastic American friends unfortunately at least for now the relationship with the US needs to be over, we simply can’t trust them.

So much hysterics on here 🙄

Yes, he said thank yous at the start of the conference, and has done so many times before.

Try telling that to the people of Salisbury.

Do you think that appeasing Putin is cancelling the incoming war?

This. I think "we all probably die" is an exaggeration, but it is clearly that the old world order is now gone for good, pretty much overnight, and the only way the new order will be established is through blood and fire, lots and lots of it.
Tomorrow is a decisive day to understand how Europe will react. I am an atheist but for the first time in my life I have something resembling a desire to pray.

But many think on here think he wants more and will attack nato.
I don't.

They seem to genuinely think it is. Staggering.

Using spies and covert means isn't boots on the ground.

Remember the agents there said they were sightseeing.

Yes

I wonder if-and who know if it's possible or not- the government were able to track User Names and turn up at the doors of those-like @C0tt0nCandy who are so pragmatic about lives lost and take their sons first, as they have been so vocal about the bigger picture.

Or the actual posters. Give them the fighting tools, a bit of training and off they go.

What is appeaseing?

Stopping putin from taking all of Ukraine?

On what grounds?

A person not in control of themselves is easily controlled by others; the fate of the world depends on those pulling the strings of the odious orange puppet.

@Donotpanicoknowpanic you want Ukraine to be divided up by the US and Russia to stop a war.
And then afterwards?
What country is next?
It won’t stop with Ukraine.
Dictators don’t stop.

They have to be stopped.

Because Putin doesn't want a world war.

Fairly certain using chemical agents on UK soil is not the same as covert means. Mass casualties were only averted through sheer luck.

To be fair, we are learning SM isn't IRL

It was an assassination attempt, not an attempt at mass poisoning.

You'll notice that war did not follow.

😂

Is it very cold in Moscow at this time of year? I’ve reported your post.

I don't know . I
It sounds as if you are saying that war is the only way-we're out of options.
If we are, there will be conscription and other hardships.
But the biggest hardship for me would be seeing my sons killed over some fight between war mongering men.

Anyway, as I said earlier, by not wanting war and by not wanting conscription-which will be inevitable-I am in the minority but I salute all those mothers who are braver than me.

I thought that the thought of our children dying would mean a lot of mums thought like me, but knowing that the vast majority are prepared to make that sacrifice has been an eye opener for me.

I suppose it shouldn't have been-after all, mothers in WW! and WW2 made the same sacrifice-their maternal love would have been the same and they willingly did it, were proud and it seems it's the same in our generation.

I'm out on a limb.

Many thought Hitler would stop at the Sudetenland.

Russia hasn't the means to go further atm but he soon will.