To think Trump is right

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Watching the press conference last night which descended into an argument

I can't help think Trump was right and made good points

Thousands of troops are dying and being seriously injured every month

Trump wants it to stop

There are thousands of people who have children alive today who will not be alive tomorrow because of this war

They are clearly in a stalemate and soldiers are now dying untill peace terms are made as no side can win on the battlefield

Trump as brutal as it sounds was being realistic about what peace would be like

Ukraine has to be realistic

If Ukraine sign the rare earth deal with America then America will have a stake in Ukraine and they should then get a better security deal

Trump has not agreed what that is yet, it's clear he wants the European's to form a big part of that

The European's want American troops and for good reason

But this has to stop and the only way it will stop is by peace negotiations

And these have to be realistic and Trump is saying it as it is

Just listened to an interesting piece on LBC News with a Ukrainian MP from Odessa. Gives some insight into the whole thing from a Ukrainian viewpoint

(I haven’t researched who the MP is, don’t know his political stance, just thought people might be interested in listening to some different viewpoints)

I agree with what you say about Trump. He is going to leave America in a much worse state than when he started because he doesn't give a shit about "the people" who follow him except to control their minds and bend them to his vicious, violent will.

"We're" is the collective, if you belong to it...

(Well, in context, "our").

Does America have an obligation to be the world's police? No

However, from what we saw yesterday, the more relevant question is does America have an obligation to Putin? From what we saw yesterday, the answer is yes.

Honestly, Americans should be looking at Trump's capitulation to Putin, and thinking about the fact that they share a border with Russia.

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I agree, look out for the bot hallmarks everyone.

Quite the contrary. It is refreshing that an American president is actually putting America’s interest over that of ‘the international order’

Back in 2020, the Russian opposition leader Aleksey Navalny was poisoned. There’s still ongoing inquiry about the Salisbury Poisonings. This incident occurred way back in 2018. And somehow Ukraine expected to just hand over its minerals to America/Russia?

But we (the U.K) do not belong to the EU - although we reside in Europe as a continent …

But it seems you don’t consider yourself European. All possible reasons are interesting.

I am still interested in the compromise you propose that Russia make

What?

Strange this isn't it.

It's all on the invaded country to give up land and minerals. The invader gets land but gives nothing, very odd.

So what has Putin got on Trump that means Putin has to do nothing, but Ukraine has to give up land and minerals?

It's bizarre

When trump was reelected I knew something nasty will happen against Ukraine in Putin's favour. Notice how trump is really throwing the dirt on Ukraine and not Putin/Russia?

I reckon trump is being blackmailed to do some of Putin's dirty work. Trump is nothing more but a dirty tramp.

Sure.

I am British, and do not consider myself European thanks. I don’t know anyone that describes themselves as European in the U.K.!!

Can someone just suggest what the next steps are without US support. All I can see is a wider war or Ukrainian capitulation.

Sadly we in Europe have based our whole security ethos on the fact that the USA will help. Clearly this may be changing.... So what's the plan now?

I can’t believe Vance had the cheek to argue against conscription, when Vietnam was waged by the very men the US conscripted. Vance needs a history lesson.

The compromises Russia will have to make will be to give up the idea of taking over Ukraine and concede some areas that are in contention. They will I hope, continue to be punished financially and economically to the end of time.

Trump does have some valid points. However, negotiations take place in private away from cameras. That was a contrived set up, to humiliate Zelenski. Members of the press had even been primed. It was a shameful day for America.

Hypothetically replace Ukraine with Britain in your sentence, how would you feel then?

Thank you for the idea, "Weefreetiffany"!!!

Let's start a separate Slava Ukraini thread where the focus is not on the traitors and whether they are right or wrong, but on expressing support for Ukraine! Let's get it trending!!!

I guess we'll soon find out, because that's what we're looking at.

Agreed. And yet the selective memory is outstanding. What’s to stop Russia from breaking yet another peace deal if it was to materialise?

What on earth do you mean by saying "no country is going to enter the war to support Ukraine?" Multiple countries have already entered the war by providing aid, military support, knowledge and tools to rebuild critical infrastructure etc.

Trump has started ‘peace ‘ talks with Russia, and excluded Ukraine. He has basically said he will dictate what Ukraine has to do when Russia started this three years ago. All he wants is the mineral rights he doesn’t care about anything else

If any ‘peace’ deal goes ahead in the form Trump wants Putin will consider it a green light to invade others to get his old USSR back because he knows his bully boy buddy Donald will be happy to allow that.

both Trump and Vance are bully’s. Their behaviour towards another head of state was shameful

Americans are self centred at best, just look at history and now they are led by bullies who are incapable of looking at a bigger picture and are in the thrall of a Russian dictator.