To think Trump is right

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Watching the press conference last night which descended into an argument

I can't help think Trump was right and made good points

Thousands of troops are dying and being seriously injured every month

Trump wants it to stop

There are thousands of people who have children alive today who will not be alive tomorrow because of this war

They are clearly in a stalemate and soldiers are now dying untill peace terms are made as no side can win on the battlefield

Trump as brutal as it sounds was being realistic about what peace would be like

Ukraine has to be realistic

If Ukraine sign the rare earth deal with America then America will have a stake in Ukraine and they should then get a better security deal

Trump has not agreed what that is yet, it's clear he wants the European's to form a big part of that

The European's want American troops and for good reason

But this has to stop and the only way it will stop is by peace negotiations

And these have to be realistic and Trump is saying it as it is

I think we need bold leaders to end this war. There has been too much destruction on both sides.

Trump and Vance come across strongly, but it's only a part of the full meeting. It doesn't give the whole picture.

Zelensky is a former comedian/actor. He and the other leaders have very good media PR. Zelensky plays the poor me/poor us role even though he's a very wealthy man and does it every time. Trump looks like he has had enough of not knowing where the billions have gone.

Also, do we really believe that Russia would have any chance of taking over Europe, when it has been held back for three years by The Ukraine, whose military rank 18th in the world? Even with aid, that's a remarkable feat.

The Russian army bears absolutely no resemblance to the German army of 1939 - that's just media hype. They would never be able to take over a country in days or weeks, as has been proved by the war in The Ukraine.

Neither side is going to back down. Strong leadership is the only way forward to stop all the unnecessary destruction.

His desperation reveals that US is not the power it used to be. He needs to rape the rest of the world, he needs to expand the empire for living space because America is going down the toilet. The only way to Make America Great Again is through rhetoric, rape of and theft from other countries.

Trump blackmail. That 'offer' is not a 'deal', its extortion. USA overreach. You're not as bigly as you think you are, Donny. Fingers crossed you find that out soon.

It's a land grab, and Trump and the US are getting in on the deal. Like a vigilante security "mafia", tag team.

Vance is an ignorant bully, playing up to Trump like he is the Godfather.

They are ignorant. I dread to think how much damage they will unleash.

Actually your modesty is appealing.

But why should Putin have the right to ‘state terms’ to an independent nation? That would be like France unilaterally stating new terms for our mutual relationship and declaring the UK must abide by them, then invading when we refused. (The fact that the French controlled parts of Britain earlier is neither here nor there)

USA has failed in all intervention wars since WW2 -
Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan .. even Korean war in 1950s was hardly a great success.
Terrible costs involved.
No wonder they do not wish to fight in Ukraine.
Also the failure of rescue attempt of American embassy staff in Iran in 1980 was another disaster.

I think the time has come to accept that Russia is not going to win...without help. Let's not forget that Putin thought he'd win in 10 days. Ukraine is still there and fighting.

Unfortunately, Russia has had an easier time persuading its allies (China, Saudia Arabia, North Korea) to provide the type of help needed than Zelenskyy has. Since Trump has aligned himself with Putin very publicly and finally, I think it has given Europe an additional push to move faster and more effectively. I think they will do more than you think to protect Ukraine. And they will do so precisely because they wish to protect their own borders. Allowing Putin to swallow Ukraine will not make Ukraine or their neighbours safer. It will put them at infinitely greater risk of invasion, not to mention edging everyone closer to another world war.

Kaja Kallas was right when she said we need to keep putting more pressure on Russia and put Ukraine (via wins on the battlefield) in a position to say no to a bad deal.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/interview/exclusive-peacekeeping-is-a-putin-trap-kallas-warns/

And she's right again when she says the free world needs a new leader and it's up to Europe to pick up the challenge.

@BusyExpert Please explain how Zelensky blew it? Ukraine was initially not even invited to its own recent peace talks. Russia isn’t just “wrong”, it’s a bully because it doesn’t want Ukraine to join NATO. Here’s a recent BBC article. What I don’t understand is how Trump so easily called Zelensky a “dictator without elections” and says nothing but high praises for Putin speaks volumes when it’s common knowledge how long Putin has controlled Russia and what happens to his opponents as well as Russian dissidents. So no, Russia isn’t just “wrong”. It needs to be stopped. A bully should not be facilitated to gather more strength and bully further. Zelensky has already offered to step down for NATO membership so why isn’t that accepted?

You are wrong, and the point has gone flying over your head.

Trump's argument that Putin can be trusted has not grounds in reality, as pointed out by Zelensky.

As for Trump saying 'Putin went through a hell of a lot with me'. At some point you have to stop ignoring the signals that Trump is on Putin's side.

I was in America just a few months before the inauguration. Every single cab driver told me that Trump was a great businessman who would be good for the country. Idiots. Reality TV is the opium of the people and is definitely rotting our brains.

Why shouldn’t free people choose who they side with? Why dont you want pro-ukrainian opinions publicised? Why do you grt to manipulate what we discuss today?

'Both sides'.

Putin invaded Ukraine.

All he needs to do is stop invading Ukraine.

Vance is the ultimate example of someone who is so dense that light bends around them. A thoroughly unintelligent individual with limited cognitive capacity to understand the complexity of the issue at hand.

Trump doesn’t give a hoot about anyone else other than himself and his rich pals and making them all richer. A traitor willing to sell out every apparent ally the US has in the west in an apparent bid to suck up the arse of a vile murderous dictator.

You are optimistic- more optimistic than me. Europe should step up but it won’t, history tells us that moving swiftly and being decisive is not their strong point.

Yes if course the war needs to end and of course Ukraine alone can't reclaim it's sovereign territory.....
But that why the international community and the US in particular needs to seek a just settlement for Ukraine. If Putin gets vast tracts of land and resource he will be emboldened. He'll come back again, or try the same trick in Estonia or Latvia or Poland. He's a product of the the old USSR he wants the global power and status that went with that era when it was a USSR/USA carve up. That took us to the brink of a nuclear war and things are much more dynamic now. China will spit the dummy/use a distracted west to take on Taiwan and extend there reach in Africa....All hell will break loose...
So if you don't want your kids conscripted you better hope and pray someone in the white house comes to their senses about Putin pretty dam quick.

Interesting use of "their".

I’m disgusted at the Trump apologists on this thread. Bullying is neither leadership nor diplomacy. And what happens after Ukraine when they try it with Iceland, Alaska?

Don't be so ridiculous. There can be no deal about Ukraine without Ukraine. Ukraine and every ally, excluding Trump, has stated very plainly, multiple times, that any negotiation must include security guarantees and there can be no end to war without security guarantees.

I think many of the people defending Russia are just Russian bots trying to influence social media.

@Alexandra2001 what do you know of this deal it's not a USA mining company it's more than that

Some people are saying that trump is right. Zelensky is wrong.

I don't understand the history behind Ukraine and Russia but Russia is the aggressor and invader of Ukraine and that's wrong.

Trump was always a pig headed and he's not diplomatic. He doesn't know how to hold himself and carry himself. He's a figure of high office and he behaves like a school boy.

'Kaja Kallas was right when she said we need to keep putting more pressure on Russia and put Ukraine (via wins on the battlefield) in a position to say no to a bad deal.

www.euractiv.com/section/politics/interview/exclusive-peacekeeping-is-a-putin-trap-kallas-warns/

And she's right again when she says the free world needs a new leader and it's up to Europe to pick up the challenge.'

@C152 surely this has to be backed up by military stock for daily fighting, who has it?

It is a collective. Europe isn’t just one country!! 🙄

Not yet read other responses but I am hoping that they all state how unreasonable OP's post is and how unreasonable Trump is being.

Of course the Ukrainians want peace. They were invaded by their neighbour and have suffered military and civilian casualties. Zelenskyy, who faces regular threats to his life simply for being the president of a country at war with Russia, knows very well that his citizens are facing not just death but also hardship. If you live in a city in Ukraine that isn't yet occupied by Russia, then your nights are spent moving to safe spaces underground so that you can stay alive. Zelenskyy and Ukrainians have been grateful publicly and privately for the support they have received. They want the war to stop but not at any cost and not just for a few months so that Russia can continue to threaten them.

Let's be clear. Russia invaded a sovereign state. This is an incontrovertible fact.

Trump is not calling on Russia to make concessions. He is not holding Putin to account. Putin is still sending drones on a nightly basis into Ukraine to attack civilians and Trump hasn't once raised this and requested that Putin cease doing so. Why?

Trump and Vance's treatment of a democratically elected HoS at the White House yesterday was shocking. It is one thing to have political differences but quite another to attack that HoS in such a public way. Zelenskyy had nowhere to go. It was a set up to sideline him as the barrier to peace and demand someone else from Ukraine to engage with. Just as Putin wants.

Trump doesn't care about the loss of life despite claiming so. If he was, he would be pressuing both sides to come to the table with US as negotiator. He is not doing this. He did not treat Lavrov the same way as he berated Zelenskyy. Trump simply wants to stop sending aid to Ukraine and to get a deal with Ukraine that benefits US most. Quite how he is going to get mining in the Donbas up and running when it is currently mined/IED to the hilt will be interesting.

And she's right again when she says the free world needs a new leader and it's up to Europe to pick up the challenge

It would be nice if Europe could do this but I cannot see Europeans sending their sons to fight and die for Ukraine. They can barely find patriotic sentiment for their own country let alone a foreign one.