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To not let MIL babysit

327 replies

loulalole · 28/02/2025 22:17

My in laws are ok people, definitely nothing as dramatic as some of the things I’ve read on here, but we do not get on particularly well. It was more like death by a thousand paper-cuts than one big falling out, so whilst I can give examples of things they’ve done here, each on their own they aren’t too significant. But over years and years of them being like this to me… the relationship just isn’t there anymore.

My husband and I have a 3-year-old daughter, and lately, my in-laws have been pushing hard to babysit her alone, which I am completely against. They see her about once a month, either at our place or theirs, but I’m always present. They, however, seem determined to carve out alone time. At first, it was framed as a treat for us: “Why don’t you two go for lunch? We’ll watch her!” and when I explained that there’s no need, she has a nanny / housekeeper / my helper (I received a very large inheritance early which means that I am lucky enough to afford paid childcare and help around the house, whilst I am a SAHM, my DH is not paying for this) who can look after my daughter perfectly, knows how I want things done and does them to a standard we’re happy with, it turned into “but we want to have a go, we want time alone with her, we are grandparents so we deserve to”.

MIL’s even bigger wish is an overnight stay. But I’ve never left my daughter for a night, and I have zero need or desire to. And honestly, what do they want to do with her that they can’t do while we’re there? On top of that, I don’t trust them to follow instructions (what to feed her, when to sleep, what not to give her, what she’s allowed to do and what she isn’t) and really don’t see the need.

And just to paint a picture of what they’re like:
1. The first words out of their mouths when we got engaged? “You’re a lucky girl, Lou, aren’t you?”
2. A few days postpartum: “You didn’t have a C-section, did you?! That’s terrible for babies’ lungs.”
3. When we called from the hospital to say I’d just given birth, instead of “Congratulations! How are you feeling?” we got: “We’ll get ready to head over when you get home.” (That assumption locked in my decision: they weren’t visiting for a few days even after we’d got home.)
4. During a rare overnight stay at our house, I asked them to keep things calm before bed. MIL’s response was a breezy “I don’t think that’s necessary!” as she wound my daughter up right before sleep.

Individually, none of these are that bad. But after years of this? I just don’t have it in me to pretend.

OP posts:
Vincenoirsrootboost · 01/03/2025 09:31

Rosesanddaffs · 01/03/2025 09:19

@loulalole I agree with everything you have said, there is no need for them to have one to one time with your child away from you.

You aren’t saying no to any contact but it has to be whilst you are there.

I am the same with my daughter, I don’t mind mil spending time with my daughter but it has to be whilst we are present and over night stays are a no until my daughter can decide for herself.

Just recently my daughter started being funny towards mil. I couldn’t understand why but when probed, daughter told me that mil said she was hers and mil is like her mummy! X

How horrible! Your little one must have felt so confused and upset. It’s these little selfish, insidious comments that from an entirely selfish type of ‘love’ that are so damaging.

A lot of the posters on here seem to focus on intent rather than effect.

You don’t have to be wilfully hurtful to behave in a very damaging way. It’s sounds like MIL in this case hasn’t resolved or apologised for her accidentally hurtful comments to op which of course makes op more protective of her daughter from this ‘accidental’ harm too.

godmum56 · 01/03/2025 09:32

Its simple. The decision is for you snd your partner to make as to if and when and nobody elses.

Nothinglikeagoodbook · 01/03/2025 09:34

OP, you sound like hard work. Your DD is not a tiny baby and will soon have many people in her life who might not speak or act exactly as you would prefer. It’s part of growing up. You can’t, and shouldn’t try to, control every aspect of her everyday life.

Presumably your PIL raised your DH for 18 years, without supervision, to be the man you love, so I don’t really understand why you think it would be so dreadful to allow them time with your DD.

I'm glad you’re not my DIL and I’ve been allowed - in fact encouraged - to develop a relationship with my grandchildren.

Tourmalines · 01/03/2025 09:34

LovelyLeitrim · 01/03/2025 08:20

Urm the child has a father and he has an input as well! Even if he doesn’t pay for the hired help!

Yea, I notice how she had to mention he doesn’t pay for the hired help 🤣 .

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 01/03/2025 09:35

SwisswolvesLilley · 28/02/2025 23:25

You say MIL manipulates your DH with tears, but I suspect you are the problem and the drama you create over trivial things genuinely upsets your MIL. You are uptight and have listed the most petty things to get upset over. You seem determined to dislike your in laws and deprive them of time alone with your child simply because you can. Frankly, I find your attitude chilling.

What l find chilling is OP’s description of a MiL who wants to be involved in, and asks intrusive questions about, their efforts to conceive and their sex life. I think in an ideal world all kids would have a close relationship with GP and it looks as though the majority of posts criticising OP are based on posters having exactly that. Well that’s great for you, but OP clearly doesn’t feel comfortable leaving DD with a MiL who openly treats her with hostility and rudeness and manipulates her own son to get her own way. It’s only a matter of time before she behaves in the same way with DD. Mil is clearly not the best of influences on an impressionable child and l don’t think it’s unreasonable that OP wants to be there to supervise. Especially if MiL’s influence on her DH means he’s happy to do anything for a quiet life - his own.

Justcallmebebes · 01/03/2025 09:36

Redmat · 28/02/2025 22:34

Yes you are missing something.
A grandparents relationship with a child can be so special. My children spent many happy hours with their grandparents and now I do the same with their children. Why do you need to be there? Did you not have grandparents who did special things with you?

This. Your post is all about you and your thoughts and feelings and no thought whatsoever for anyone else, especially your daughter

Harriethulas · 01/03/2025 09:36

Only hearing one side of the story here. I don’t doubt your MIL is a difficult woman but you aren’t painting yourself in the most wonderful light either and I wonder if she’s difficult because you are too. You say she’s manipulative but I bet she’d say you are too. Put your personal (selfish) reasons aside and do what is best for your child.

An afternoon with grandparents occasionally is harmless. So what if they go against your rules? Mine are probably fed cake for breakfast at grandma’s. So what? They bloody LOVE going there and their bond is so special. Your daughter is going to bond with the help then when said help leaves who else will she have to lean on? The more relationships they can build, the better.

Tourmalines · 01/03/2025 09:36

godmum56 · 01/03/2025 09:32

Its simple. The decision is for you snd your partner to make as to if and when and nobody elses.

Well that’s not right. Her partner gets no say in the matter.

Praying4Peace · 01/03/2025 09:40

ParrotParty · 28/02/2025 22:34

Probably can't relax or feel comfortable being themselves under your scrutiny. Let your DD have a normal relationship with her family, she's an individual not an extension of you.

Spot on
OP, you sound like the DIL from hell
Please don't deny your ILs time with their GC. And please lay off the instructions

Nothinglikeagoodbook · 01/03/2025 09:40

AtomHeartMotherOfGod · 01/03/2025 08:49

The OP has left and has said that she dislikes the GPs because they don't follow her rules about what's 'best for her child'.

We haven't validated her feelings; she's out of control; she's removed herself.

I never understand these obsessive beliefs that someone who's raised a perfectly nice person (your spouse) is wilfully harming the child if they do things differently to you. Unless your child has ASC or something, a bit of spontaneity / variation doesn't hurt. It teaches them to be adaptable and stands out as exciting in the passage of their life.

The MIL's comments sound clumsy rather than cutting, and I think the one about 'I don't understand why I'm not allowed a relationship' sounds fair enough! If an adult wants to play with a child, it doesn't make the child 'a toy' - she's doing it for the child as a way of bonding, not for herself! If anything, the child sounds at risk of affluent neglect.

Absolutely agree! (but can’t find '100%' emoji!)

Praying4Peace · 01/03/2025 09:41

Fimofriend · 01/03/2025 07:52

Exactly! OP should trust her instinct.

All those posters talking about depriving the grandparents..... Children are not toys or entertainment!

Why is it always the paternal MIL?
Food for thought

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 01/03/2025 09:43

Tourmalines · 01/03/2025 09:36

Well that’s not right. Her partner gets no say in the matter.

Where do you get that impression ? OP says her DH would be happy to hand over DD for a quiet life. That’s not having no say, that’s opting out of the conversation.

Bearhunt468 · 01/03/2025 09:44

And if that paid help decides they want a different job or go on matenity leave. Then you'll have no one who knows all this. How can the grandparents learn if you don't give them a chance? My DS loves sleepovers at Nana's house and they love having him. It makes him feel wanted and has fun. Do you want you'd child to grow up and feel that only paid help spent time with them outside of you?

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 01/03/2025 09:45

Praying4Peace · 01/03/2025 09:41

Why is it always the paternal MIL?
Food for thought

Because the input on MN is predominantly women, so their MiL is their husbands’ mother ? I have seen threads where OP’s have told similar tales of their own toxic mothers though.

Mamaof2not3 · 01/03/2025 09:50

loulalole · 28/02/2025 22:41

His mum manipulates him quite a lot with crying, and if he ever pulls her up on anything (mum, stop asking Lou why she isn't pregnant, we've explained that we are struggling to conceive), the response is always "oh I'm just curious, I feel so sad being left out of the loop". Or when I spoke back and said "I'd like to keep our sex life private" she burst into tears saying she's being kept at a distance and that's such a rude response.

So his ideal would be to just hand over our daughter to minimise drama. But that would cause drama with me because to me she's not a toy to appease a tantrum with.

Or maybe she isn't manipulative but just sad she's out the loop of her sons life?

godmum56 · 01/03/2025 09:51

Tourmalines · 01/03/2025 09:36

Well that’s not right. Her partner gets no say in the matter.

why?

nc43214321 · 01/03/2025 09:54

Or maybe she isn't manipulative but just sad she's out the loop of her sons life?

Isn't that more reason to try and get on with his wife! Isn't that a mother and son issue? not to be deflected onto the wife. Honestly cut the apron strings...

Nanny0gg · 01/03/2025 09:55

Givemestrength1000 · 28/02/2025 23:13

I also don’t understand grandparent demands to see the child without their parents. The only reason to do so would be if they plan to do something against the parents wishes. Time with grandparents is great, but absolutely no reason why the mum can’t be there.

Grandparents are so bloody entitled nowadays. Grandchildren are not your toys and not your chance to do it all again. If you fucked it up with your own kids, tough luck - you don’t get a do over.

That absolutely isn't it

You can't have a straightforward relationship with GC when parents are watching your every move and stepping in all the time

Just think about the dynamics when parents are there - they are the Go-To adult

It's not the same

Nanny0gg · 01/03/2025 09:57

AthenaPallas · 28/02/2025 23:34

Can't believe some of the responses here. The mother-in-law does sound very insensitive and narcissistic, and her feelings of entitlement towards your family unit also sounds unhealthy.
That said, your child might really benefit from a relationship with grandparents when they are old enough, and, as you stated, capable of verbalising.
Don't let this become an issue which divides you and your husband. Have a calm discussion in which you agree boundaries and responses when dealing with the in-laws.
Try not to be reactive to them either - I think they might enjoy the drama a bit too much.

The child is 3 not 3 months

Tourmalines · 01/03/2025 09:57

godmum56 · 01/03/2025 09:51

why?

Because she doesn’t let him .

Goldengirl123 · 01/03/2025 09:58

You are being totally unreasonable and I’m glad you aren’t my DIL

Keepingthingsinteresting · 01/03/2025 09:58

Britishsummertime22 · 28/02/2025 22:53

Yabu and sound like a difficult daughter on law. I feel for your parents in law, I really do. They just want some quality time with their granddaughter, it isn't much to ask.

They sound like difficult parents in law. Clearly doing down and diminishing @loulalole at every opportunity and believe what she thinks doesn’t matter, so how can they be trusted to look after the child as her parents have decided?

If they aren’t decent enough to be nice to her because their son loves her they shouldn’t be stupid enough to be rude if they want more access to their grandchildren!

As you say @loulalole you don’t need them, and there is nothing they can do in your child’s best interest they cannot do without you there, so this is bout them and as they aren’t nice to you then they cannot fuck off. Karma is a bitch.

LovelyLeitrim · 01/03/2025 10:01

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 01/03/2025 09:45

Because the input on MN is predominantly women, so their MiL is their husbands’ mother ? I have seen threads where OP’s have told similar tales of their own toxic mothers though.

Edited

Not many though

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 01/03/2025 10:04

loulalole · 28/02/2025 22:26

Maybe I'm missing something but what exactly is the benefit of that alone time? What can't they do whilst I'm present?

Can't you just try and see??

They don't sound bad people... Annoying but otherwise OK...

I had a fabulous relationship with my grandparents and stayed overnight by the time I could walk...

My mum was very much... In granny's house you do what she says... And when you're home with mummy and daddy, it's mummy's rules...

This worked fine!! I remember 50+ years later, very well that we had endless bedtime stories at my granny's and sugary breakfasts and played games for hours. In the mornings I sit on their bed and tell them all about school and my friends...

It was always very unhurried, delicious time.

I had my grandparents til I was about 30,I loved them very much.

I think you're being a bit too precious.

PosiePerkinPootleFlump · 01/03/2025 10:04

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 01/03/2025 09:43

Where do you get that impression ? OP says her DH would be happy to hand over DD for a quiet life. That’s not having no say, that’s opting out of the conversation.

Yes, OP says that. But given that the OP sounds bloody hard work, maybe her DH actually would be happy for his daughter to go there because he’d like her to have a strong bond with her grandparents.

it’s very clear that the OP would like to micromanage all interactions between her daughter and grandparents. Obviously that would impact their relationship! Do you not benefit from 1-to-1 time with your spouse? With your child? With your best friend? Why should this relationship be any different?

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