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Anyone cancelling their trips/holidays to USA

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Petuniaspetal · 28/02/2025 20:24

Have to be honest since trump won i wasn't going anyway. But anyone cancelling or going elsewhere?
I have a big birthday this year, I would go to the garbage dump rather than support America,/musk in any way. I know therwmis at least half of America that doesn't.support this shxt and for them I am sorry but for the republicans too spineless and self interested to resist their dictator.trump...not one iota of sympathy for the rising prices loss of Medicaid or medicare.

YABU ..to cancel/Not go
YANBU...wouldn't touch it with a bargepole

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Petuniaspetal · 06/04/2025 20:10

Based on what has evolved over the last month I'm even more resolute in not going anywhere near the USA for at least the next 4 years because, let's face it, there's every possibility either trump or his goon vance could still be voted in. We are only a few months in and it's a global shitshow.

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BigDecisionWorthIt · 07/04/2025 11:39

Zita60 · 06/04/2025 10:20

Interestingly she is doing the whole "The US is the bad guy routine" and conveniently glossing over the fact Canada denied her entry because they were worried she would work illegally.
Canada were essentially the whistle-blower..

Canada was not "the whistleblower". They simply said that she would need a work visa to enter Canada, and told her to go back to the US to apply for one. They didn't detain her for more than a month - but the US authorities did.

This French scientist was refused entry to the US, despite having correct paperwork, because of text messages on his phone.

"A diplomatic source told the French news agency that the incident occurred on 9 March. The scientist was on assignment for the French National Centre for Scientific Research (CNRS). The same source said that messages discussing the Trump administration’s treatment of scientists had been found. The researcher was reportedly then accused of writings “that reflect hatred toward Trump and can be described as terrorism”."

So criticism of Trump's policies are "hatred" and "terrorism"?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained

Simply put, if Canada hadn't denied her entry, the US would have been none the wise to her illegal/unauthorised work on her Esta and this whole situation would have been avoided.
Denial of entry over intended work essentially flagged the issue to the US of potential Esta violation.

Now the detention bit occurred due to it being a land border. The situation would have been different if going via the airport.
On trying to re-enter the US at a land border, she was deemed in-admissable under section 8 of the INA. In-admissible means that she could not be admitted to the the US and therefore detained.

The Guardian has so much misinformation and omitting of key facts because they are trying to push an agenda.
The French Scientist was in unlawful possession of classified material and even admitted on attempting to conceal it. Attempting to conceal classified material (stuff like this have special carriage instructions, needs signed papers and typically will require 2 people present for material security) is a sure fire way to have your phone checked.

Take the time to research the "victims" paraded in the media. I am yet to find one who was innocent where as tourists they had either violated/misrepresented the terms of their Esta/Tourist visa. Or as LPRs had violated Section 8 of the INA, something all LPRs must abide by (Something last amended in 2008 under Obama 1) for criminal charges/activity, drugs charges, leaving the country to skip court, terrorism/links to terrorism or by failing to meet the residency requirements set out for LPRs. As an Lawful Permanent Resident, you are required to be able to show residence and ties to the US. Any trips over 180 days will bring you scrutiny (this isn't new) and any extended trips for the 1-2 year mark, an I-131 re-entry permit needs to be applied for prior to leaving the US.

If I'd have done something that stupid. I'd be sat in Colly with my job gone, clearances gone and NSV pretty much hanging me out to dry whilst likely facing civilian prosecution after finishing time in Colly.

On the subject of phones. Again only those showing red flags will have likely their phones checked, as they will be the ones in secondary. They aren't checking phones randomly in lines.
Stats wise, for FY 2024 only 0.01% of travellers had their phones checked.
From CBP, roughly 1 million international arrivals occur every day across the US (tourists and returning visa holders). That equates to roughly 100 people across the entire US being in a position where their phones are checked. Spread between the all the airports, that is a very very small amount of people.

The misinformation, omission and covid level fear mongering from the media is abhorrent.
Honestly it angers me. Going through the already, long, stressful and torture like immigration process is hard enough already. But seeing this misinformation adding unnecessary and extra stress to those already feeling it is ridiculous.

Doingtheboxerbeat · 07/04/2025 12:39

BigDecisionWorthIt · 07/04/2025 11:39

Simply put, if Canada hadn't denied her entry, the US would have been none the wise to her illegal/unauthorised work on her Esta and this whole situation would have been avoided.
Denial of entry over intended work essentially flagged the issue to the US of potential Esta violation.

Now the detention bit occurred due to it being a land border. The situation would have been different if going via the airport.
On trying to re-enter the US at a land border, she was deemed in-admissable under section 8 of the INA. In-admissible means that she could not be admitted to the the US and therefore detained.

The Guardian has so much misinformation and omitting of key facts because they are trying to push an agenda.
The French Scientist was in unlawful possession of classified material and even admitted on attempting to conceal it. Attempting to conceal classified material (stuff like this have special carriage instructions, needs signed papers and typically will require 2 people present for material security) is a sure fire way to have your phone checked.

Take the time to research the "victims" paraded in the media. I am yet to find one who was innocent where as tourists they had either violated/misrepresented the terms of their Esta/Tourist visa. Or as LPRs had violated Section 8 of the INA, something all LPRs must abide by (Something last amended in 2008 under Obama 1) for criminal charges/activity, drugs charges, leaving the country to skip court, terrorism/links to terrorism or by failing to meet the residency requirements set out for LPRs. As an Lawful Permanent Resident, you are required to be able to show residence and ties to the US. Any trips over 180 days will bring you scrutiny (this isn't new) and any extended trips for the 1-2 year mark, an I-131 re-entry permit needs to be applied for prior to leaving the US.

If I'd have done something that stupid. I'd be sat in Colly with my job gone, clearances gone and NSV pretty much hanging me out to dry whilst likely facing civilian prosecution after finishing time in Colly.

On the subject of phones. Again only those showing red flags will have likely their phones checked, as they will be the ones in secondary. They aren't checking phones randomly in lines.
Stats wise, for FY 2024 only 0.01% of travellers had their phones checked.
From CBP, roughly 1 million international arrivals occur every day across the US (tourists and returning visa holders). That equates to roughly 100 people across the entire US being in a position where their phones are checked. Spread between the all the airports, that is a very very small amount of people.

The misinformation, omission and covid level fear mongering from the media is abhorrent.
Honestly it angers me. Going through the already, long, stressful and torture like immigration process is hard enough already. But seeing this misinformation adding unnecessary and extra stress to those already feeling it is ridiculous.

Anyway, back to the original point Are you cancelling your trip to the US - what part of any of that ☝️ you have just written makes for a nice relaxing holiday? Doesn't it all sound rather complicated and a little bit risky? And so why would you go there. No one wants to read a dissertation just to go on your jollies when there are other places that aren't deporting/ detaining people for nebulous reasons.

That's the point, I think .

TankFlyBossW4lk · 07/04/2025 14:57

@Zita60
I find this kind of normalisation of the flawed US of great concern. The US imprisoned an innocent person without trial. She was trying to go home and would have simply paid for a flight to do so. And what do you think, that Canada is at fault 🙄

BigDecisionWorthIt · 07/04/2025 22:56

@Doingtheboxerbeat
The thing is, this is nothing new. Nothing has changed and the current administration haven't altered any procedures for tourists or for green card holders (the only ones impacted are undocumented migrants or those without status trying to gain asylum).

Ice/cbp/dhs and the predecessor agency have been like this since Obama.
Just the media, people being paraded in the media and those lapping it up are thinking it's brand new.
They have always been this strict in enforcing INA section 8.

Being part of a community going through immigration has been eye-opening. There have been heartwarming stories... but also sad, pretty rough experiences.
Foreign spouse detained by cbp, interrogated, strip searched, drug tested, held and then eventually sent back home. This was under the Biden Administration in Aug 24... the reason... the couple did the maths wrong and on his previous trip had overstayed the Esta limit by 3 hours.

Zita60 · 14/04/2025 20:25

TankFlyBossW4lk · 07/04/2025 14:57

@Zita60
I find this kind of normalisation of the flawed US of great concern. The US imprisoned an innocent person without trial. She was trying to go home and would have simply paid for a flight to do so. And what do you think, that Canada is at fault 🙄

I think you've got this the wrong way round. I am criticising the USA, not Canada. I agree with you that there was no reason to detain her for all that time when she was actually trying to leave the country.

FindusMakesPancakes · 15/04/2025 14:11

I have not read every post on this thread since having posted early on that I would be trying to avoid the US. I work for a company with a US HQ.

In the last month I have had communications saying that some Canadian colleagues have been refused entry to the US, one of whom has been banned for 3 years, because they expressed views that were not fully supportive of the Trump administration when questioned by a border agent. Another was detained and held in custody. They have been told that as non-US citizens, they have to fully comply with border agents. I have US colleagues who are worrying about being refused return entry if they leave the US, because their skin is not white.

My company are now saying that they will not expect me or anyone else OUS to travel to the US. The whole thing is beyond scary to me that this is where we are in 2025.

vandelier · 15/04/2025 14:24

Not worth the hassle, the concerns, the threats, the possibility of detention that are real in our own minds. Rare as it might be if you are law abiding with a proper visa or ESTA, the chance that you might be quizzed or detained is more than enough to put me off anyway. North Korea might be easier to get into now.

Along with the fact that the regime/presidency and all its hangers on just don't like Europeans much at the moment. So why go somewhere we are not welcome?

I'm sure there are millions of Americans who are aghast at what's happening. I feel for them. But I will not support that country as long as the Marmalade Moron and his acolytes are running the show.

Petuniaspetal · 15/04/2025 20:01

FindusMakesPancakes · 15/04/2025 14:11

I have not read every post on this thread since having posted early on that I would be trying to avoid the US. I work for a company with a US HQ.

In the last month I have had communications saying that some Canadian colleagues have been refused entry to the US, one of whom has been banned for 3 years, because they expressed views that were not fully supportive of the Trump administration when questioned by a border agent. Another was detained and held in custody. They have been told that as non-US citizens, they have to fully comply with border agents. I have US colleagues who are worrying about being refused return entry if they leave the US, because their skin is not white.

My company are now saying that they will not expect me or anyone else OUS to travel to the US. The whole thing is beyond scary to me that this is where we are in 2025.

I watched a documentary on Apollo 13 recently and while America wasn't a utopia at the time it was at least somewhere to be admired and a place that people wanted to go to see and experience. Now it's like a hell hole.

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Livelovebehappy · 15/04/2025 22:35

Petuniaspetal · 15/04/2025 20:01

I watched a documentary on Apollo 13 recently and while America wasn't a utopia at the time it was at least somewhere to be admired and a place that people wanted to go to see and experience. Now it's like a hell hole.

Maybe it’s a hell hole due to previous administrations, and Trump is trying to get it back to how it once was? America has been a bit of a hell hole for a number of years, not due solely to Trump.

Petuniaspetal · 15/04/2025 22:46

Livelovebehappy · 15/04/2025 22:35

Maybe it’s a hell hole due to previous administrations, and Trump is trying to get it back to how it once was? America has been a bit of a hell hole for a number of years, not due solely to Trump.

Back to what exactly?

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ThisFluentBiscuit · 15/04/2025 23:10

Livelovebehappy · 15/04/2025 22:35

Maybe it’s a hell hole due to previous administrations, and Trump is trying to get it back to how it once was? America has been a bit of a hell hole for a number of years, not due solely to Trump.

I've lived there 18 years and it's wonderful. It's much, much cleaner and nicer than the UK. I find that offensive. I certainly do not live in a hell-hole, thank you very much!

EasternEcho · 16/04/2025 12:56

Livelovebehappy · 15/04/2025 22:35

Maybe it’s a hell hole due to previous administrations, and Trump is trying to get it back to how it once was? America has been a bit of a hell hole for a number of years, not due solely to Trump.

I'd love to know too. Back to how it was - when?

Nogoodusername · 16/04/2025 13:41

Yes we’ve cancelled. Middle Eastern surname, both work for human rights organisations, I don’t fancy getting randomly getting detained at immigration and sent back home. Will holiday somewhere that I don’t risk this airport experience!

Petuniaspetal · 16/04/2025 16:28

Removing womens rights, workers rights, citizens rights, haranguing universities and schools to only teach their ethos, shutting down news outlets that question their policies....all while trump cheats at golf costing millions of dollars every weekend and demands a parade to mark his birthday costing millions of dollars...while simultaneously cutting medicaid, medicare, social security, veterans aid, and increasing medication costs....it's sounds more North Kore than the land of the free.

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ThisFluentBiscuit · 16/04/2025 21:40

Petuniaspetal · 16/04/2025 16:28

Removing womens rights, workers rights, citizens rights, haranguing universities and schools to only teach their ethos, shutting down news outlets that question their policies....all while trump cheats at golf costing millions of dollars every weekend and demands a parade to mark his birthday costing millions of dollars...while simultaneously cutting medicaid, medicare, social security, veterans aid, and increasing medication costs....it's sounds more North Kore than the land of the free.

Yes, everyone here is aghast. (British immigrant from Massachusetts.)

The only thin comfort is that hopefully, it will be a very, very long time until the Reds get in again, after this. Surely a lot of people who voted for him must be horrified, because his first term was nothing like as bad as this. Wasn't exactly great, with him pulling out of the Paris Accord etc., but I'm not sure anyone foresaw all this.

Doingtheboxerbeat · 16/04/2025 22:04

ThisFluentBiscuit · 16/04/2025 21:40

Yes, everyone here is aghast. (British immigrant from Massachusetts.)

The only thin comfort is that hopefully, it will be a very, very long time until the Reds get in again, after this. Surely a lot of people who voted for him must be horrified, because his first term was nothing like as bad as this. Wasn't exactly great, with him pulling out of the Paris Accord etc., but I'm not sure anyone foresaw all this.

I know his first term wasn't anywhere as bad but the moment he blatantly made fun of a disabled reporter on stage, I kind of knew he was not like the others 🥺 and we were entering a new era.

Petuniaspetal · 16/04/2025 23:08

Problem is that the Maga crowd only hear and believe the Joe Rogan, Fox News, Charlie Kirk rhetoric and question nothing. Reading comments on vlogs and blogs makes me realise that trump could wipe out their entire family and they would still believe he was doing them a favour.

Don't lull yourself into a false sense of security that the midterms are a given or indeed the next election. Trump and co are doing their level best to fix the vote. There is a suggestion they did in 2024 but the dems won't fight that. Be afraid be very afraid.

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Hhgjs · 16/04/2025 23:24

I'm terrified about border control going through my devices and all my personal data

BigDecisionWorthIt · 17/04/2025 10:46

FindusMakesPancakes · 15/04/2025 14:11

I have not read every post on this thread since having posted early on that I would be trying to avoid the US. I work for a company with a US HQ.

In the last month I have had communications saying that some Canadian colleagues have been refused entry to the US, one of whom has been banned for 3 years, because they expressed views that were not fully supportive of the Trump administration when questioned by a border agent. Another was detained and held in custody. They have been told that as non-US citizens, they have to fully comply with border agents. I have US colleagues who are worrying about being refused return entry if they leave the US, because their skin is not white.

My company are now saying that they will not expect me or anyone else OUS to travel to the US. The whole thing is beyond scary to me that this is where we are in 2025.

The colleague saying about the 3 year ban for views is telling porkies and a big fat lie.

Even a criminal record won't exactly end in a ban and can, through another type of visa and interview be waived.

3 and 10 year bans are only handed out for visa overstaying and unlawful presence at a certain level.
. 3 year ban - Overstay and unlawful presence from 180 days up to 1 year.
. 10 year ban - Overstay and unlawful prescence of 1 year and above.

Anything under 180 days, if through an Esta/Visa Waiver Program will have that lost and the requirement to go through the B1/2 visa process for travel.

So your colleague in the past has overstayed and accrued unlawful presence by at least 180 days.

BigDecisionWorthIt · 17/04/2025 11:12

Hhgjs · 16/04/2025 23:24

I'm terrified about border control going through my devices and all my personal data

If you are a law abiding tourist and showing zero red flags you will be fine.

Unfortunately you have fell victim to the media misinformation campaign.

Statistically speaking, and this is consistent historically through Biden's administration too, only 0.01% of electronic devices are checked. And you'd need to be pulled into secondary for that... again only happen if you're showing red flags.

To put it into perspective, roughly 82,000 people per day land at Philly International. Approximately 202,000 people per day fly into Chicago O'hare.
Do you really, honestly, using common sense, think that CBP have the people power and time to do it at an increased rate?

Statistics released in the past week support all that and disprove the media agenda.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-releases-march-2025-monthly-update

Key takeaways for tourists/returning green card holders:
. OFO Encounters - This includes all nationwide apprehensions and title 42 expulsions under Section 8 of the INA at all ports of entry (Air, Land, Sea).
. Mar 25 Encounters were approximately 673 per day, 3% lower month on month compared to Feb 25 (693).
. Year on year, the OFO Encounters are Drastically lower... 81% lower compared to Mar 24 (Under Biden) which sat at 3464 per day.

Essentially, statistics wise, there is a lower chance of having any issues entering the US under this Trump Administration than there was under the Biden Administration.

If you click on the "view more encounter statistics" it comes up with a nice graphical representation that is pretty eye opening.

I wonder why the media aren't showing these stats? 🤔 Because it doesn't fit the agenda they are trying to push.

So again, if you are a law abiding tourist, you'll have nothing to worry about. Enjoy your trip.

CBP releases March 2025 monthly update

Securing America's Borders

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-releases-march-2025-monthly-update

Hhgjs · 17/04/2025 11:34

BigDecisionWorthIt · 17/04/2025 11:12

If you are a law abiding tourist and showing zero red flags you will be fine.

Unfortunately you have fell victim to the media misinformation campaign.

Statistically speaking, and this is consistent historically through Biden's administration too, only 0.01% of electronic devices are checked. And you'd need to be pulled into secondary for that... again only happen if you're showing red flags.

To put it into perspective, roughly 82,000 people per day land at Philly International. Approximately 202,000 people per day fly into Chicago O'hare.
Do you really, honestly, using common sense, think that CBP have the people power and time to do it at an increased rate?

Statistics released in the past week support all that and disprove the media agenda.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-releases-march-2025-monthly-update

Key takeaways for tourists/returning green card holders:
. OFO Encounters - This includes all nationwide apprehensions and title 42 expulsions under Section 8 of the INA at all ports of entry (Air, Land, Sea).
. Mar 25 Encounters were approximately 673 per day, 3% lower month on month compared to Feb 25 (693).
. Year on year, the OFO Encounters are Drastically lower... 81% lower compared to Mar 24 (Under Biden) which sat at 3464 per day.

Essentially, statistics wise, there is a lower chance of having any issues entering the US under this Trump Administration than there was under the Biden Administration.

If you click on the "view more encounter statistics" it comes up with a nice graphical representation that is pretty eye opening.

I wonder why the media aren't showing these stats? 🤔 Because it doesn't fit the agenda they are trying to push.

So again, if you are a law abiding tourist, you'll have nothing to worry about. Enjoy your trip.

Thank you

FindusMakesPancakes · 17/04/2025 12:05

BigDecisionWorthIt · 17/04/2025 10:46

The colleague saying about the 3 year ban for views is telling porkies and a big fat lie.

Even a criminal record won't exactly end in a ban and can, through another type of visa and interview be waived.

3 and 10 year bans are only handed out for visa overstaying and unlawful presence at a certain level.
. 3 year ban - Overstay and unlawful presence from 180 days up to 1 year.
. 10 year ban - Overstay and unlawful prescence of 1 year and above.

Anything under 180 days, if through an Esta/Visa Waiver Program will have that lost and the requirement to go through the B1/2 visa process for travel.

So your colleague in the past has overstayed and accrued unlawful presence by at least 180 days.

I would like to believe you. And I am sure that is how it is meant to work. Except I have no reason to doubt these particular colleagues. And as someone who is actively involved in politics, it is not a risk I am willing to take. The fact that my company have specifically told me that I have their approval not to travel because of the political climate in the US, I do not trust that the same might not happen to me, however unlawful it should theoretically be.

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