Anyone cancelling their trips/holidays to USA

[Petuniaspetal]

Have to be honest since trump won i wasn't going anyway. But anyone cancelling or going elsewhere?
I have a big birthday this year, I would go to the garbage dump rather than support America,/musk in any way. I know therwmis at least half of America that doesn't.support this shxt and for them I am sorry but for the republicans too spineless and self interested to resist their dictator.trump...not one iota of sympathy for the rising prices loss of Medicaid or medicare.

YABU ..to cancel/Not go
YANBU...wouldn't touch it with a bargepole

Don't be daft.

Is this the level of debate and comment on MN these days?

It’s not virtue signalling to not want to fly somewhere on a plane when they have no aviation safety.

It’s not virtue signalling if you are a sexually active woman of child bearing age to not want to go somewhere where doctors are legally not allowed to treat you for an ectopic pregnancy or incomplete miscarriage.

Indeed. Also not virtue signalling to refuse to go there because those things are problematic for other people, even if some things don’t apply to you personally.

my daughter is 12 and I’m done with babies, but a few years ago or a few years from now that second point would be very problematic for us personally. I had to have an abortion after an incomplete miscarriage of a very wanted child and it breaks my heart that I could easily have instead just died if I happened to be living in Texas or Florida or Alabama. Monsters the lot of them.

As I’ve said several times my choice is my children never seeing their extended family or us anxiously visiting the states sometimes so we are going with the second option for now. But I am not ruling out the first option at all. I will not put my children at risk of being stuck in America for political reasons, or my daughter having her physical safety at risk in a few years. It’s a horror show and it is only getting worse

Am guessing they’ll go after same sex marriage next. Again, doesn’t apply to me but also awful to think about anyway.

Meh. If I had a trip booked, planned or whatever. I would 100% still go.

Might as well not leave your house to do anything^^ at all then.

The UK will be an economic mess once Labour have pushed away the last of the net contributors. People need to realise who actually funds the country. I’ll give you a clue it’s not people earning 50k.

I no longer feel like playing my part and plenty of others feel the same. Why should DH and I pay over 100k income tax every year to benefit a government who hates us?

Who exactly do you think has been profiting from the war over the last three years then?

Income Tax isn’t “benefiting the government” it’s paying a fair share towards the cost of running the country.

I understand very wealthy people want to keep all of their money for themselves, and get very distressed when they realise they have to pay towards the infrastructure that runs it. Maybe you get some therapy to help ?

I also think some help towards your paranoia might help, the government isn’t an individual, so can’t really carry emotion such as “hate”. If you think institutions are capable of human emotion, I would suggest you are having a problem with current mental health.

@AnnoyedAsAllHeck thank you. Yeah, I was aware those places were more left wing. And I'm sure many others. It is a big place, so sorry if I sounded ignorant!

Let me guess you are one of the net beneficiaries.

Both DH and I earn everything through PAYE so don’t avoid a penny in tax. To suggest we “keep all our money to ourselves” is ridiculously wide of the mark and is symptomatic of the entitlement culture many now have.

The all pervading rhetoric from the government is hostile towards higher earners. We more than pay our way yet people appear to think we should always pay ore while at the same time paying minimal amounts themselves.

You can stick your head in the sand as much as you like however if Labour continue going on as they are the economy will collapse as the people who bankroll it disappear.

Good luck with funding your public services when most people are paying a couple of grand income tax a year.

Good luck visiting your national parks. You might want to pack some bear repellent...

…no I’m not a net beneficiary.. I’m loosing money. I’m still in a much better position than lots of people who, through anyone of a number of things, be it disability, age, social disadvantage etc find themselves in a difficult position.

I came from poverty, we couldn’t afford to pay the bills or sometimes eat. However I got a free education, access to good healthcare, a (almost free) university education. I was able to move upwards as the government supported that.

I am happy to pay more to give other people the opportunities that I had. In a society we all have a part to play in making it better, and for those of us with money, our role is helping to fund it.

Luckily, there are plenty of other people like me, who understand that, rather than pulling up the ladder behind us, we should be building more rungs.

We could be more like the States, and have people dying of simple illnesses because they can’t afford basic medication, but that’s not somewhere I want to live.

Still not sure why you think the government “hate you”

Your reply is antagonistic and frankly outdated at best.

I have First Nations heritage and my family works very closely with Communities and my best friend ‘adopted’ an indigenous child removed from her horn so I know a little bit about this. Do you? Or are you just reading some convenient headlines?

Historically you are right, but this is true of many many other colonial conquests. The government has repeatedly apologised and openly acknowledged the scandals.

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/principles-principes.html

Is there work to be done? Absolutely. Are things covered up? Sure, but that doesn’t just apply here.

That ain’t what this thread is about. If you want to talk about this elsewhere then fine - let me know and I’ll visit. Otherwise your deflection of Trump and the harm he has done and continues to do is offensive.

Seriously crack a book. You know nothing about bears and that they aren’t aggressive attack animals.

Since 1784 there have 66 fatal human/bear conflicts by wild black bears. Less than a dozen non-fatal conflicts happen each year, and the vast majority of encounters end with zero bodily contact. Why? Because black bears are far more likely to run away from you than engage.….

I think what the other poster is challenging is what is ‘fair’.

Some on £150k earns 5x as much as someone on £30k, but pays 12x as much tax, for example.

Aid was provided by Biden, and other countries.

Trump has no wish to provide aid, he wants a lucrative deal worth billions.

Are you seriously saying that no one has profited from the war over the last 3 long years?

Where did Biden get the money for aid? The American taxpayer.

Few object to paying a "fair" share, unfortunately the current tax system isn't fair at all and significantly penalises certain income brackets removing incentive to work.

I have travelled a lot in the US. I love the national Parks. From the election of Trump for his first term, I wasn’t comfortable to go again and I haven’t been back since. It’s not just Trump. It’s the hideous policies that oppress women, it’s the bigoted thread of MAGA that runs through the country. It’s the “we’re the greatest country in the world . . . . . the most free country in the world” bollocks. That always grated on me, but add in Trump and the MAGA stupidity and I’m done.

Absolutely, worse still is the cliffhanger of £100k where someone earning £100k can take home significantly more than someone on £130k as £100k is somehow deemed a magic number where 30k nursery fees become affordable in addition to losing your tax free personal allowance - regardless of the cost of living where you work / live.

Where did I say that?

There is a huge difference between war being profitable because you are an arms manufacturer and using war to manipulate and blackmail to profit from the situation.

@LookingforMaryPoppins i am squarely in that income bracket, and I am genuinely considering moving to 4 days because I find it so demotivating and pointless.

You stated the Trump was looking to profit from the war and asked how that was acceptable. I responded by asking you who you thought was profiting from the war already over the last 3 years. You didn’t answer this and went on to say Biden provided aid.

Sounds like you’re justifying millions of deaths (on both sides) of a war if the profit goes to arms manufacturers who I’m sure you’re aware, do not operate outside of government.

You don’t think there’s been manipulation and prolonging of the war over the last three years and how lucrative for some but now that Trump is president you say it’s all about him wanting money? But no one else wanted money?

Wow!

Its amazing what you have read into a comment which is wholly based on Trump and his conduct.

For the record I absolutely do not support war. I also don't agree with one country invading another and realise the consequence of such action is in all likelihood war. War is expensive and of course there will be industries whose profit will increase as a consequence due to the nature of their business. This is very different to intentionally taking advantage of a situation to profit.

I have recently reduced my hours for exactly the same reason! Two months in and I am loving the extra free time I have.

Childcare issue aside, there is zero incentive to earn 38pence in every pound which is the situation when you lose your tax fee allowance in addition to paying income tax.

Wonder if people decided not to come here after Brexit. I know many who were outrage with racist England.

I will be going to America as soon as possible. However, I love it and visit often since I was very young. It is a shame that it is so polarised these days. Still find most people are happier and friendlier than here. Now and then you meet extremists nuts from either side. The rest more than make up for my trips.