JD Vance and Trump are fucking idiots

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JD Vance . What an idiot.

Trump narcissistic bully.

Vile men

Unbelievable greed, idiots, bullies, vile men

The nuclear weapons Ukraine "owned" were from the USSR that were stationed in Ukraine.

Yes but when Ukraine broke away from the USSR, they still had possession of the nukes, and had to be persuaded to give them up.

It's slightly terrifying that the leader of the most powerful country in the world couldn't understand what Zelenskyy was clearly saying because his ego is so huge that he couldn't admit that the US will be affected by it, not to mention the rest of Europe/the world.

No Putin. Isn’t it obvious?

Ukraine should have kept them. The Russians are a bunch of liars

God his language.

He had a private education, a university. Mind boggling that he speaks at this level.

Some people mentioned the agreements that both Russia and the US signed in return for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons.
I'm sure some Russian bots already fiddled with the entries, but still the main information is freely available in wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

Here is some more in-depth analysis by US sources:
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nato-75-russia-programs/2024-12-05/budapest-memorandum-1994-after-30-years-non

https://www.brookings.edu/events/the-budapest-memorandum-at-20-the-united-states-ukraine-and-security-assurances/

The original treaty is hosted here:

https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000280401fbb

Interestingly, a short analysis from Stanford University:
They are saying on one hand that the US never gave guarantees, but on the other hand, they did agree along with Russia to not violate Ukrainian borders.
But they also come to this conclusion (this is from Dec 2024)

"Over the past three years, the U.S. government has provided Ukraine well over $100 billion in military and financial assistance. That is consistent with what U.S. officials told Ukrainians in 1993-94 when they said Washington would act if Russia violated its Budapest commitments.

That said, the United States should have provided, and should provide, more assistance, with the goal of helping Ukraine prevail. That is not due just to U.S.-Ukrainian discussions three decades ago but to the fact that a Russian victory would mean a more dangerous Russian threat to Europe and America."

Source:
cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/news/budapest-memorandum-myths

No, I wasn't clear from your post as to what you meant. There are plenty of nutters on these threads who are calling Zelensky a dictator and more. I couldn't work out if you were one of them. I'm pleased to find that you aren't!

Yes, don't know if they had the capacity to launch them without USSR/Russian codes. But the situation is a bit different to other countries who own nuclear weapons, this was essentially cleaning up the breakdown of the USSR.

Much like recent downfall of Syria (which is directly related to Russia being occupied with their conflict in Ukraine) and the destruction of various military sites.

He can get a suit. He doesn't wear one because his country is at war with an invading force. The optics are about signalling that he's a war leader. And quite rightly so.

So Zelensky is actually a dictator and has not thanked the US for their help? Or he didn't try to broker a diplomatic resolution with Russia?

Or maybe he just wanted security guarantees for his country in exchange for the rare earth minerals. This is Trumps answer to the question what he'll do if Putin breaks the ceasefire:

Trump: What if anything? What if a bomb drops on your head right now? OK? What if they broke it? I don’t know, they broke it with Biden because Biden, they didn’t respect him. They didn’t respect Obama. They respect me. Let me tell you, Putin went through a hell of a lot with me. He went through a phony witch hunt where they used him and Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia. You ever hear of that deal? That was a phony. That was a phony Hunter Biden, Joe Biden scam. Hillary Clinton, shifty Adam Schiff. It was a Democrat scam. And he had to go through that. And he did go through it. We didn’t end up in a war. And he went through it. He was accused of all that stuff. He had nothing to do with it. It came out of Hunter Biden’s bathroom. It came out of Hunter Biden’s bedroom. It was disgusting. And then they said, ‘Oh, the laptop from hell was made by Russia.’ The 51 agents. The whole thing was a scam. And he had to put up with that.

Russia invaded Ukraine. The war was started by Putin. Putin has quite straightforwardly said that he wishes Russia to be a superpower again and that a significant part of that is to retake territory that was once part of the soviet union. Ukraine is defending itself. Pro war? No. How about pro democracy?

A businessman like crime lords are businessmen. 🤣

kattaduck Trump sounds like he was rambling madly there. Not fit to be in politics at all, let alone the leader of the US.

The reason that Zelensky is alive today is because his protection is paid by American taxpayers. We pay for his salary, his pension, his travel, his security and the combat pajamas he wears. We even paid for him to come lecture us about how we're not doing enough.

And his response to all of that was to demand American boots on the ground in front of the world's press when he was specifically told that was not up for discussion. Then he called the veep a "bitch" under his breath in Ukrainian which was caught on a hot mic.

Now Senator Lindsay Graham, Z's former biggest supporter in the Senate, is calling for him to step down. Z effed up badly today.

Well yeah. Majority of top CEOs are sociopaths and if you ever present at a high lev company meeting it’s all just a bunch of boys with their ego and their toys

@Sushiandunagi it did seem to be planned, or premeditated. Along with the planted question about the suit. But how does that make a difference to the discussion?

And his response to all of that was to demand American boots on the ground in front of the world's press when he was specifically told that was not up for discussion.

Interesting, can you provide the exact quote?

Horrible men. Presumably nasty fathers and husbands too. That attitude won't just ooze out professionally.

This alleged hot mike moment should be evidenced @LifeExperience or you sound a little like one of big rouble friends

in my opinion to show the world what the us stance is & to force peace deal onto Ukraine. You cannot force a deal like that if you admit that Russia is the aggressor so they had to put their point across somehow

No joke. Maybe @LifeExperience heard it from Q-Anon or something.

In the immortal words of Janey Godley, Trump is a cunt.

@LifeExperience well he's not wrong. So now he apparently has to kowtow to these dickheads to try to keep his people safe after dealing with a reasonable regime who quite rightly supported him against Putin. I'm sure he's very grateful to Biden. But he wasn't talking to Biden. Trump called him a dictator before he ever came over, and then said he was pro-war. I'm surprised he kept his temper as long as he did. There are limits to anyone's tolerance.

He would never be that careless; in some videos from the office you can see it's full of politicans, assistants and the media, Hegseth sitting directly opposite him (with red socks and red tie); several mics over their heads, tens of cameras, he just wouldn't do it.

And English is his third language, Russian his first and Ukrainian the second language from growing up in a dual-language country. So if he would speak under his breath in a moment he forgets composure, it'll probably be Russian as it's his mother tongue.