Woman 19 dies in dog attack

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Woman 19 dies in dog attack in Bristol

Apologies if there’s already a thread on this, but how many more lives have to be taken in these horrific attacks before the Government admit that the current measures are failing. It surely has come to the point now that all XL Bullies should be euthanised.

All dogs have the potential to kill a human being. Which is why they should be banned. And that's not to mention all the other mess and disturbance they cause. Robo dogs are far better in every way.

Maybe you should move to your own remote island with no dogs. I bet you will still complain though.

So, to those who think dogs should be banned as pets but kept as service dogs, what would you suggest is done to the dogs if they don’t quite make the mark? If they go through all the training to be a guide dog, police dog, sniffer dog or whatever but they don’t quite get to the standard they should… should they be euthanised?

Are you after show/pet or working lines?
Because the workers are higher maintenance.

I have a high maintenance breed (possibly something you might have been considering if you were after a gundog breed), not so much in terms of the hours being exercised, but rather working their brains and giving them things to think about. Life has been bonkers just recently, but I've still had to find the headspace at least a few times a week to give our two dogs what they need. And actually, doing that has been good for me as it has forcibly jolted me into a different mindset.

To train the two of them, I have had to learn a lot about how they think, what they respond to and what they want. I work the older dog, and the feeling of cooperation with an animal of a different species is very special.

Sure, dogs have some disgusting habits, and they have big teeth, but a well-trained, well-mannered dog can bring so much to your life.

Fed to zoo animals. I have seen that suggested on there about XL bullys.

A lot of people don't understand the importance of pet and sport dogs to the supply and training of working dogs with serious jobs.

The protection sports (IGP, Mondioring etc) are an important seedbed for new ideas for how to train police, military, anti-poaching etc dogs. The people who work the dogs don't have the time or (often) the expertise to tinker about with training techniques, but the bods who are serious about the sports do. They want to win, if only to prove their own training, and dogs are their entire life (they often fund their sport by breeding and training dogs). Because they want to win, they are highly motivated to find the best ways of training the dogs. Some of the sports demand that the dog has a positive and energetic attitude, so keeping the dog happy while being under control is part of it.

I suspect the same is true of eg spaniels used for drug detection and similar. Without the enormous pool of working gundogs to dip into, government agencies would be hard pressed to maintain a suitably diverse and healthy gene pool to provide the dogs they need.

And without the pet market to find homes for dogs who don't quite make the grade as gundogs, what would happen? I've got one as a pet who is unlikely ever to work because her personality is just not suited to it, despite her breeding. I give her the outlet she needs, but I can't work her, though I work my other dog.

I have the 'potential to kill a human being'.
A car/bus/horse/off food/alcohol/swimming in the sea/skiing/mountain climbing/sky diving/working with chemicals/never leaving the house but getting carbon monoxide poisoning anyway all have potential to kill us, should they all be banned?

Dogs serve no useful purpose and are inflicted on people who do not want to be near dogs.

Why do you just keep repeating the same thing over and over again? Are you a bot?

I don't think hating dogs so much serves you any purpose. It must be so exhausting to be so full of so much hate all the time.
What do your dog hating comments actually do for you? What do you actually gain from posting about it?

Ok, and?

Taking it at face value because I am not watching YT nonsense, what’s the point you are trying to make?

Incomplete digestion leaves nutrition in stool. It’s gross to us that dogs in the past would eat it, but it’s pretty good from an ecological standpoint point. Less waste, food cycle and all that.

Most of your issues with dogs seem to be around hygiene.

It’s worth digging into the myriad studies that show living with a dog is beneficial to health - eg kids who live with dogs have much lower rates of asthma and allergies, for example. Living with a dog also vastly improves the breadth of gut flora.

So whilst a knee jerk reaction is that something is unhygienic, the reality is that being around dogs is increasingly shown to be beneficial to health.

Rabbits eat their own shit too.

I think they need a hobby.

Or a pet?

Yes, a dog! Good for mental health, immune system, and blood pressure.

I really don’t get the argument about it being unhygienic to be around a dog. What do we usually use hygiene for? To keep things clean in order that we don’t get sick. That’s why you wash your hands after the toilet and (I hope) shower frequently and try and keep your home clean. Germs spread in unhygienic environments (ever had a kid in nursery? I’ve never been so ill in my life!) but I have just never heard of dog owners getting consistently ill just from owning a dog!
Of course, you have to manage aspects of it in that way. You won’t pick up poo with your bare hands and then give your nose a good pick or chew your finger nails afterwards, but you won’t get ill just from being in the vicinity of a dog. I think you’re more likely to get germs from other humans.

Humans get ill from stuff spread by other humans, not dogs.

Wrong.

That poster hates dogs, hates people who have dogs, and is just a hateful person in general.
They will benefit from having a dog.

How is it wrong? What purpose do dogs serve that could not be served by a different pet or robot animal?

How does your dog hatred serve you?
Can you not channel that energy into something actually useful?

We don't have the capacity to replace the canine nose, which can sense chemicals at parts per billion. We will probably never be able to make anything which can do that, and cover the ground the way a dog can, because whatever we engineer will inevitably be very heavy. It is also likely to be even more costly than a carefully-bred and fully-trained dog. Dogs can also work in a vast range of weather conditions, from well sub-zero to over 40C (depending on breed type and acclimatisation).

Likewise, I'm not sure how you would plan to replace stock dogs of various kinds. Again, depending on type and acclimatisation they can work anywhere from the Mongolian winter (well into the minus numbers) to the Australian outback (over 40C). A dog is relatively cheap, a bit tricky to train but fairly easy to maintain, and knows much of its job instinctively (the issue is usually controlling the dog). It's not too hard to breed dogs for specialised tasks, like keeping the wolves off the flock (as livestock guardian dogs do from Iberia across Asia), or bringing in sheep from a distance (like New Zealand huntaways). Friends of mine have a huntaway who works their cattle; he's worth several people on quad bikes. His entire lifetime cost (purchase, puppyhood, training, food, vet and insurance, retirement, housing) will probably be about the cost of just buying one new quad bike, never mind 3 or 4, and maintaining them and employing the people on them.

So there is that.

Police and security dogs can sometimes de-escalate situations that would otherwise end up with people being shot/stabbed/otherwise damaged (I've listened to several podcasts featuring a bloke who used to work in the security industry; he explains all this very clearly).

And no, I can't replace my dogs with another pet. I work one of my dogs; there is no other domesticated species that can do what she does.

And see above for my comments on the connection between pet and sport dogs, and working dogs.

I don't expect to convince you, but perhaps I can show you just a little bit about what you don't know about dogs.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc-ujOiZQw4

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/17/dog-drugs-colombian-jungle/

https://thedailyguardian.com/others/police-dog-leo-rescues-kidnapped-boy-within-90-minutes/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9954099/

https://country1037fm.com/2023/08/10/golden-retriever-saves-little-boy-from-bear-attack/

TLDR: dogs are amazing at finding lost babies, sniffing out disease and protecting humans from predators

I’d like to see a guinea pig ward off a bear.

I wouldn't have a problem with farm dogs, police dogs and other working dogs being kept around. But pet dogs need to go and fast.

I explained upthread why the pet/sport dog population is useful viz-a-viz working dogs.

No they don’t.

They lower cortisol, improve gut flora and have saved owners from predators and disease.

They teach responsibility, provide unconditional love and have massive benefits to mental health.

Plus, more people love them than think like you. Britain is a nation of dog lovers. So all you are doing is yelling into the void. 😂