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Woman 19 dies in dog attack

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Matrixremooted · 27/02/2025 14:10

Woman 19 dies in dog attack in Bristol

Apologies if there’s already a thread on this, but how many more lives have to be taken in these horrific attacks before the Government admit that the current measures are failing. It surely has come to the point now that all XL Bullies should be euthanised.

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OonaStubbs · 13/03/2025 18:26

Robot dogs are available and also miniature horses can be used as guide animals.

YeOldeGreyhound · 13/03/2025 18:32

BattIestar · 13/03/2025 18:19

I am sure the scientists will develop ways. Heck, if we hadn't wasted so much money on guide dogs up to now, we'd probably have a better solution. Same for sniffer dogs. I am sure robots can replace them all.

Who is funding research into replacing dogs in those roles? No one, because dogs do the job just fine.

BattIestar · 13/03/2025 18:53

YeOldeGreyhound · 13/03/2025 18:32

Who is funding research into replacing dogs in those roles? No one, because dogs do the job just fine.

Bit slavey, innit!

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YeOldeGreyhound · 14/03/2025 00:00

BattIestar · 13/03/2025 18:53

Bit slavey, innit!

Anyway, here you go:
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And dogs in all the other roles?

I know someone who has several sausages dogs. One is the Vitality ad dog, and is also a trained sniffer dog. The rest are also trained sniffer dogs. She has a collie cross who is trained to sniff for missing people. She has many dogs and they all have jobs or have been in film/TV.

Errors · 14/03/2025 07:54

YeOldeGreyhound · 13/03/2025 17:38

FFS, if you don't like dogs, then don't have one. They bring joy to their owners and can enrich their lives. There is no need to call people who have dogs brainwashed. No need at all.

The anti dog opinions are so extreme that I am convinced they’re winding us up.

Dogs will never be banned, it’ll never ever happen. I don’t trust people who don’t like dogs

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 08:01

There was another thread where the OP was being a massive racist saying that kids not being allowed to play with the opposite sex was against British values.

I think being anti dog to the extreme of some of the posters here is against British values.

It’s times like these we need a written constitution and item 5 should be about loving dogs or pissing off.

Errors · 14/03/2025 10:40

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 08:01

There was another thread where the OP was being a massive racist saying that kids not being allowed to play with the opposite sex was against British values.

I think being anti dog to the extreme of some of the posters here is against British values.

It’s times like these we need a written constitution and item 5 should be about loving dogs or pissing off.

I saw that bat shit thread too.
I agreed I’ve made lots of what I think are logical arguments against banning dogs but they were all ignored in favour of a constant “but they’re disgusting” line of reply but dressed up with different words.
I have never met anyone in real life who hates dogs. I know people that are indifferent to them, sure. But they don’t hate them.

Am I drunk or did someone suggest upthread that miniature horses would be better than guide dogs for the blind??

BattIestar · 14/03/2025 11:07

Errors · 14/03/2025 10:40

I saw that bat shit thread too.
I agreed I’ve made lots of what I think are logical arguments against banning dogs but they were all ignored in favour of a constant “but they’re disgusting” line of reply but dressed up with different words.
I have never met anyone in real life who hates dogs. I know people that are indifferent to them, sure. But they don’t hate them.

Am I drunk or did someone suggest upthread that miniature horses would be better than guide dogs for the blind??

I dislike dogs intensely. But most of my acquaintances don't know this. I don't go round declaring it. But occasionally, if I am in a conversation with someone and it is relevant, I'll say "I'm not a dog fan", and surprisingly often, they state they nor are they, but it's not the done thing to speak this out loud, for fear of being branded weird ("ooh, can't trust someone who doesn't like dogs" etc crap). There are more people who don't like dogs than dog people would like to imagine. I now know many people who actively can't stand dogs.

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 11:08

Errors · 14/03/2025 10:40

I saw that bat shit thread too.
I agreed I’ve made lots of what I think are logical arguments against banning dogs but they were all ignored in favour of a constant “but they’re disgusting” line of reply but dressed up with different words.
I have never met anyone in real life who hates dogs. I know people that are indifferent to them, sure. But they don’t hate them.

Am I drunk or did someone suggest upthread that miniature horses would be better than guide dogs for the blind??

They are used by a few people in America but can’t see them fitting in the average UK home.

I would love a therapy pony.

This thread just adds evidence to my theory that anyone who doesn’t like dogs is best avoided.

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 11:11

BattIestar · 14/03/2025 11:07

I dislike dogs intensely. But most of my acquaintances don't know this. I don't go round declaring it. But occasionally, if I am in a conversation with someone and it is relevant, I'll say "I'm not a dog fan", and surprisingly often, they state they nor are they, but it's not the done thing to speak this out loud, for fear of being branded weird ("ooh, can't trust someone who doesn't like dogs" etc crap). There are more people who don't like dogs than dog people would like to imagine. I now know many people who actively can't stand dogs.

Birds of a feather and all that.

Most people I’ve met who don’t like dogs (only a few) have changed over the years I’ve known them or say things like ‘Fido (not my dog’s real name) is different. I love Fido’.

So either my dog is the best in the world (likely) or lots of people dislike the idea of dogs but soften when they spend time around them.

Because how could you not?!

Unless you don’t like any animals. Then you are weird.

BattIestar · 14/03/2025 11:26

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 11:11

Birds of a feather and all that.

Most people I’ve met who don’t like dogs (only a few) have changed over the years I’ve known them or say things like ‘Fido (not my dog’s real name) is different. I love Fido’.

So either my dog is the best in the world (likely) or lots of people dislike the idea of dogs but soften when they spend time around them.

Because how could you not?!

Unless you don’t like any animals. Then you are weird.

I love nature, I love seeing animals in the wild, love birdwatching and seeing the squirrels in my garden.

I cannot stand dogs, their noise, their smell, their simping, their slobbery tongues, seeing little piddly yellow piss by the lamposts and trees, the shit they leave on the pavement or in the playpark, or on the beach, or on a nice walk on the common, but mostly, I can't stand dog culture, dogs being in cafes and shops and the cinema and schools.

However, I don't think it's weird if people don't like animals. I think it IS weird to fawn over a dog, let it in your home, run your life around a dog, spend that amount of money on a dog, be cool with billions of other animals being slaughtered to feed Fido, just because your dog matters and they don't. That's very weird, to me, especially when people pronounce themselves animal lovers.

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 12:09

BattIestar · 14/03/2025 11:26

I love nature, I love seeing animals in the wild, love birdwatching and seeing the squirrels in my garden.

I cannot stand dogs, their noise, their smell, their simping, their slobbery tongues, seeing little piddly yellow piss by the lamposts and trees, the shit they leave on the pavement or in the playpark, or on the beach, or on a nice walk on the common, but mostly, I can't stand dog culture, dogs being in cafes and shops and the cinema and schools.

However, I don't think it's weird if people don't like animals. I think it IS weird to fawn over a dog, let it in your home, run your life around a dog, spend that amount of money on a dog, be cool with billions of other animals being slaughtered to feed Fido, just because your dog matters and they don't. That's very weird, to me, especially when people pronounce themselves animal lovers.

I admit I have a hierarchy of animals. I won’t eat dogs, cats or horses. Or squid, actually.

It’s not something I feel great about, and I have been vegetarian for periods of my life, but I admire you for being vegan - I wish I had the strength.

I don’t eat meat a lot, but it’s still not zero, and my dog does - I found some veggie dog food and some made from insects but it was mad expensive.

Most of your issues with dogs seem to be with crappy owners, and your opinions on hygiene. Don’t really see how piss on a lamppost is an issue, but I guess if you want to climb it, it might be annoying.

They also bring joy and health benefits to loads of areas - immune system, mental health, cardiovascular health etc.

Some maul people to death, others give disabled people freedom and sniff out cancer.

Errors · 14/03/2025 12:20

There are many crappy owners out there. Dog breeds that require training and proper socialising bought by idiots who plan to do neither.

The XL bully is different in that I don’t believe they should be kept by anyone and existing ones either rounded up and kept somewhere until they naturally die off, or I think they should all be destroyed.

The hygiene thing makes no sense to me unless you plan on licking the bottom 12 inches of a lamp post. I think if owning a dog was detrimental to health in terms of hygiene, we would have a spate of unwell dog owners and that just doesn’t happen.

They can be and are great companions for lonely folk as well as being service animals. They can teach children about responsibility. They get people out in the open and walking in all weathers and well, they are just so bloody cute that they make me smile when they’re around. I can’t wait to get one.

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 12:36

Errors · 14/03/2025 12:20

There are many crappy owners out there. Dog breeds that require training and proper socialising bought by idiots who plan to do neither.

The XL bully is different in that I don’t believe they should be kept by anyone and existing ones either rounded up and kept somewhere until they naturally die off, or I think they should all be destroyed.

The hygiene thing makes no sense to me unless you plan on licking the bottom 12 inches of a lamp post. I think if owning a dog was detrimental to health in terms of hygiene, we would have a spate of unwell dog owners and that just doesn’t happen.

They can be and are great companions for lonely folk as well as being service animals. They can teach children about responsibility. They get people out in the open and walking in all weathers and well, they are just so bloody cute that they make me smile when they’re around. I can’t wait to get one.

And they have evidenced benefits to health of people who have them.

Cute and good for your health?! Can’t say that about much in life.

kirinm · 14/03/2025 12:49

Just this week we had school messages saying an XL bully had attacked two people and was on the loose. The police ended up patrolling the area until the dog was found. It had an owner who was completely incapable of restraining it.

Whether a dog is loose or not shouldn’t mean that the dog randomly attacks people.

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 13:01

kirinm · 14/03/2025 12:49

Just this week we had school messages saying an XL bully had attacked two people and was on the loose. The police ended up patrolling the area until the dog was found. It had an owner who was completely incapable of restraining it.

Whether a dog is loose or not shouldn’t mean that the dog randomly attacks people.

All of them should be destroyed - and I really love dogs.

Mightymoog · 14/03/2025 13:04

YesHonestly · 13/03/2025 18:02

Exactly. Or police dogs, or detection dogs, or fire service dogs, or search and rescue dogs, or cadaver dogs…🙄

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Absolutely every person who is sick of dogs has said pet dogs are the problem, not useful ones.

Mrsbloggz · 14/03/2025 13:06

I saw a local one when I was out walking yesterday.
I crossed the road as soon as I saw it, then the creature took a shit and I thought oh no what if the woman drops the lead while she's picking up the shit😱

Mightymoog · 14/03/2025 13:06

YeOldeGreyhound · 14/03/2025 00:00

And dogs in all the other roles?

I know someone who has several sausages dogs. One is the Vitality ad dog, and is also a trained sniffer dog. The rest are also trained sniffer dogs. She has a collie cross who is trained to sniff for missing people. She has many dogs and they all have jobs or have been in film/TV.

what sniffing job do the friend's daschunds do?
Being in an advert for dog food is not useful btw

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 13:23

Mightymoog · 14/03/2025 13:04

Absolutely every person who is sick of dogs has said pet dogs are the problem, not useful ones.

Pet ones are useful. They are good for physical and mental health.

The majority of the country is dog free. There are dog free / dogs on lead parks, loads of restaurants and pubs don’t allow dogs or restrict them to certain areas. Plenty of cafes and shops don’t allow them.

You have choices, so exercise them. No need to impose your own beliefs on others - we aren’t America.

Mightymoog · 14/03/2025 13:31

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 13:23

Pet ones are useful. They are good for physical and mental health.

The majority of the country is dog free. There are dog free / dogs on lead parks, loads of restaurants and pubs don’t allow dogs or restrict them to certain areas. Plenty of cafes and shops don’t allow them.

You have choices, so exercise them. No need to impose your own beliefs on others - we aren’t America.

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more and more places are not dog free and more and more dogs are not on a leash when outside.
If I want to impose my beliefs that I find it disgusting to have a dog in a food place then I should have every right to.

BattIestar · 14/03/2025 13:32

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 12:09

I admit I have a hierarchy of animals. I won’t eat dogs, cats or horses. Or squid, actually.

It’s not something I feel great about, and I have been vegetarian for periods of my life, but I admire you for being vegan - I wish I had the strength.

I don’t eat meat a lot, but it’s still not zero, and my dog does - I found some veggie dog food and some made from insects but it was mad expensive.

Most of your issues with dogs seem to be with crappy owners, and your opinions on hygiene. Don’t really see how piss on a lamppost is an issue, but I guess if you want to climb it, it might be annoying.

They also bring joy and health benefits to loads of areas - immune system, mental health, cardiovascular health etc.

Some maul people to death, others give disabled people freedom and sniff out cancer.

You are right in that my issue with dogs is really the owners, really, but if it weren't for dogs, the owners wouldn't have them, and problem solved.

I have become far more intolerant of dog people, as dog people have become far more awful, and, the number of dogs has also risen.

I do not believe the statistics surrounding the benefits of dogs - I did some research and so much is pushed by dog companies (e.g. pet food companies), and you have to wonder, hm.

I AM vegan, though I don't remember mentioning that, actually, but well-deduced! I do take issue with dogs being used. I think we have enough technology to be able to do away with guide dogs, sniffer dogs and bomb-finding dogs and whatever else they may be useful for, and I wish we could build resilience in people where we found comfort and strength in one another, and not in pets. I also take issue with the negative ecological disaster that is pets (and also people who eat meat, really), and would love to live in a cleaner society.
I don't think the benefits of dogs outweigh the negatives, which I suppose is the main issue. There are so many attacks, and most don't make the news. I see so many posts on fb about them, yet hardly any actually appear in any official news. Which leads me to believe the statistics are far worse than people know. Maybe the deaths and very serious maulings are reported, but there are umpteen pretty serious attacks that go under the radar.

https://www.rcseng.ac.uk/news-and-events/media-centre/press-releases/be-dog-safe/#:~:text=The%20Royal%20College%20of%20Surgeons,bitten%20or%20struck%20by%20dogs.

  • I'll copy the main text in another post, as my own post is already long.
BattIestar · 14/03/2025 13:32

Be dog safe, warns surgeon as NHS figures show an increase in hospital admissions for dog bites; averaging at nearly 8000 a year
06 Jun 2019
• Latest figures show NHS hospitals have seen an almost 5% increase in dog-related admissions between 2015 and 2018.

• Figures show an average of around 7,693 admissions to NHS hospitals a year for dog-related injuries, with a total of 23,078 between 2015 and 2018.

The Royal College of Surgeons has urged dog lovers to remember that while dogs may be man’s best friend they can, and at times do, bite. Latest NHS Digital figures show that more than 23,000 hospital admissions in the past three years were related to people being bitten or struck by dogs.

Hospital admissions for dog-related injuries increased by nearly 5% over the past three years, with 7,658 admissions in 2015/16, 7,433 in 2016/17 and 7,987 admissions in 2017/18.1 Children and young people, under 18 years old, made up around 21% (4,775) of the total admissions between 2015 and 2018. This is a total of 23,078 hospital admissions for dog-related injuries between 2015 and 2018.

While this increase in admissions could be due to a number of factors, such as people becoming more cautious about getting dog bites checked by a medic; the dog population has stayed pretty stagnant with 24-26% of the UK population reportedly owning a dog.2 However, smaller breeds of dogs have become more popular. The most popular breed in the UK in 2015 was a Labrador, but in 2018 this had switched a smaller breed, the French Bulldog.3

Professor Vivien Lees, a Consultant Plastic Surgeon and Council Member at the Royal College of Surgeons, has urged the public to take extra care when interacting with dogs, as trauma surgeons report seeing a spike in injuries sustained from dog bites.

Professor Lees, who is based in Manchester and often treats dog-related injuries, said:

“Over the past few years I have seen an increase in the number of dog-related injuries I deal with. The injuries range from fairly minor to life changing. Across the UK, 23,078 admissions over the past three years is a strain on the health service and is becoming a public health issue.

“It’s worth remembering that even smaller, less intimidating breeds, such as those that have become more popular,3 are still capable of causing significant damage, particularly to babies. While it’s reassuring that children and young people are not disproportionally being admitted for dog-related injuries, the impact that dog bites have on babies can be fatal and, of course, this is of great concern.

“Being bitten by a dog is a traumatic experience, so learning how best to interact with dogs in a way that prevents injuries is important. If you are bitten by a dog, remember you should always seek medical advice if the bite has broken the skin.”

If bitten by a dog, Professor Lees advises people to:

• Clean the wound immediately by running warm tap water over it for a couple of minutes, even if the skin does not appear to be broken.
• Remove any objects from the bite such as teeth, hair or dirt.
• If the wound is not already bleeding freely then encourage it to do so by gently squeezing it.
• If the wound is bleeding heavily, put a clean pad or sterile dressing over it and apply pressure.
• Dry the wound and cover it with a clean dressing or plaster.
• Seek medical advice.

Dr Carri Westgarth, a lecturer in human-animal interaction at the University of Liverpool, advises the public to get to know their dogs. She says that it is important they learn to read their pet dog’s body language, including the more subtle warning signs, such as excessive lip licking.4

Dr Westgarth, said: “The chance of being bitten by pet dogs is often underestimated because of the relationship that people have with their pets. Many people think that they’re more likely to be bitten by a stranger’s dog but actually most people are bitten by dogs they know.

“Sometimes the assumption is that dogs only bite when provoked and this idea can lead to victim blaming. How people interact with dogs can be an influence, however bite risk can be increased by many other factors such as a dog’s environment or genetics.

“Dog owners can take preventative measures to reduce the risk of their dog(s) biting either owners or others. For instance, careful and considered selection of a dog - only buy dogs from reputable breeders; visit the dog in its home environment and meet its parents to observe their mannerisms; ensure your new dog attends a reputable training class; never leave young children and dogs alone together; and seek immediate professional behavior advice if your dog shows any signs of nervousness or aggression.”

Liverpool postwoman Clair Kami, 26, was delivering mail when she was bitten by a dog. As she knelt down to get a small parcel from her mail satchel, a loose dog which had escaped from a house across the road ran over and attacked her, biting into her lower left leg. Clair fought to get the dog off and her screams alerted nearby neighbours who came to her aid. The dog owner had accidentally left the door and side gate to the house open. The dog owner agreed to have the dog voluntarily destroyed. Clair was admitted to hospital overnight due to the severity of the bite wound and the following morning she underwent emergency surgery to successfully repair her leg.

Ms. Kami said: “The whole experience of being attacked by a dog was shocking and disorienting. I cringe at the idea of it happening to anyone else and I’m forever thankful to the regional burns and plastic surgery team at Whiston hospital who were amazing and worked exceptionally hard to allow me to continue to have mobility in my left leg.

“I would advise dog owners to ensure your dogs are in another room before answering the door and make sure children don’t open the door, as dogs can push by them and attack. Giving your dog food or a toy to occupy them while your mail is being delivered can help keep them calm. Also, if your dog likes to attack your mail person, consider installing a wire letter receptacle. It will protect your post, and your postman’s fingers.”

Mightymoog · 14/03/2025 13:33

oh, and restricting a dog to certain areas of a restaurant/ cafe is bollocks.
owners have them on long leads / no leads so they wander anyway
owners don't always sit in the dog only bit
I don't want to be startled by a dog barking every 5 minutes
I find the sight of a dog in a cafe pretty revolting no matter where it is.
( don't bother with saying " but guide dogs" that has been done to death)

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