Woman 19 dies in dog attack

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Woman 19 dies in dog attack in Bristol

Apologies if there’s already a thread on this, but how many more lives have to be taken in these horrific attacks before the Government admit that the current measures are failing. It surely has come to the point now that all XL Bullies should be euthanised.

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No, they haven’t. There was a poster a few pages back who said that all dogs should be banned.

I said I'd be delighted if they were. I'd settle for banning pet dogs though.

yes but I think she's vegan so doesn't count 😁

Ha! 😂

Not unless you own the food place.

You can hold the belief, but not impose it.

hence why I said i should have the right

So go to a different cafe.

The simple truth is that the cafe makes more money or gets better reviews from letting dogs in than it does from excluding dog haters like you.

You might not like it, but you don’t get a say in how a business decides to run.

Your power in this situation is going to a dog free cafe or learning to bake.

If I want to impose my beliefs that I find it disgusting to have a dog in a food place then I should have every right to.

well in that case, I should have the right to impose my belief that dogs should be allowed everywhere.

Except, that’s not the way for society to work - beliefs should be respected but not imposed.

See also: abortion laws, religion in schools, flat-earthers.

actually, not the last one. I don’t want to fall off the edge next time I get on a plane.

i bake well thank you.
i resent that places I have been to and enjoyed for years now let dogs in.
it's revolting and selfish of dog owners.
But you're never going to see that so pointless discussing

I am actually not sure that it is true that they are making more money - they probably don't realise how many people are turning away.

I am a member of a sports gym/members' club - there's gym classes, play areas, fancy restaurant plus casual cafe, youth club attached, etc. They put out a survey last year asking if members would support a policy to permit dogs. 96% said NO! 96%!!! Which leads me to believe most people do NOT want dogs around when we are out and about, but the pet owners impose them on the rest of us without caring.

Sadly so many cafes and restaurants allow dogs, it's harder to avoid than ever. I stick to Wagamamas.

There’s a fair amount of scientific papers that show the benefits of dogs, it’s not just blogs on vet pages.

You were either a vegan or a massive hypocrite, so I assumed vegan!

The ecological disaster is a fair argument in terms of climate change, but so are kids, and I don’t want them banned either.

Dog bites have gone up - but is it proportional to dog ownership going up? And who is getting bitten? Mostly owners?

Bad breeding, terrible owners, social media / fashion, more dogs so more likelihood of a wrong ‘un turning up are all important, but I will never be convinced the answer is banning dogs.

They bring me and so many people I know too much joy.

Animals have got me through some serious mental health struggles and there is a reason humans have such a close bond with some species - and I don’t believe that it’s just selfishness on our part.

The places you’ve gone to for years don’t make enough money from people who hate dogs.

That’s why they let them in.

And if dogs are allowed in, it’s not selfish of owners to take them.

Your issue seems to be with the cafe owners, not the dogs.

And they bring me the opposite of joy. If you want to enjoy your joy in your own home, it wouldn't be as much of an issue. The issue is you imposing the dogs on the rest of us.

If it were put to a fair vote, and we could stop dog nutters rallying round and pushing up their votes, I do think the majority of people would vote not to allow dogs in eateries and shopping malls.

I do think it will be rolled back in due course, but I am getting impatient and fed up of seeing dogs everywhere. We will hit peak dog though and eventually they will reduce in number.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-64566448#:~:text=A%20scheme%20to%20allow%20dogs,recorded%20over%20the%20trial%20period%22.

is just the start!

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/fabulous/14230465/primark-shopper-viral-vile-smearing-dog-poo-shop-floor/?utm_campaign=scottishsunfacebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwY2xjawJBFpJleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHY0_KTLDLQM08j98PR3x31R888_uJX_yOyXWSA7juetDVUYFdqZfq8T9mg_aem_bBYgY9MbduZ3UEdhCzgX4Q#Echobox=1737833355

(Sorry about S*n link)

Well unless the cafe does a survey and checks its takings before and after the dog ban, allowing for cost of living crisis, Covid etc etc, I guess we are both speculating.

But overall, a trend to allow dogs into more places would suggest it’s something businesses see as beneficial to their bottom line.

The members’ club is one example, but what does that actually tell us? Are you saying country club members are indicative of the entire British population?

My kids’ school has 2 therapy dogs. If they did a survey I would imagine it would be close (high Muslim population) but sensibly, they haven’t because weird beliefs shouldn’t be imposed on anyone.

edit - sorry, that sounds like the weird beliefs are referring to being Muslim. That is absolutely not what I meant to imply.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/843850841123882

I am sick of this kind of thing, and I have personally witnessed a dog pooing in a cafe, and one piddling a urine leak.

Was the dad a sausage dog with a step ladder?

And I and many others think it is weird to like dogs.

No, I’m not.

You are free to exist anywhere. If you don’t want to share the air with my dog, it is incumbent on you to leave, not me.

My dog is on a lead where the law mandates, he is not allowed in places where dogs are banned.

If I was invited to your house, I wouldn’t bring him, and I would happily put him elsewhere if you came to mine.

But I’m sure as shit not going to pander to anyone’s nonsense about not wanting to exist in proximity to him.

Well I haven’t. Do we cancel each other out?

Enough random anecdata.

Well the rise in dog ownership and increased acceptance in cafes and shops suggests you are in the minority.

Again, you are free to hold whatever beliefs you wish, but you cannot impose them on others.

But you are imposing your physical animal on me, or, as I do actually avoid dogs as much as possible, restricting my life.

My beliefs don't make you nauseous with the smell, or sneezy with allergies. My beliefs don't leave shit on your shoe, or on the wheels of my kids' bikes/scooters/rollerblades.

All of the arguments against dog ownership are actually arguments against shitty dog owners. If we look at it this way, then we can actually be in agreement.

I love dogs and plan on getting one myself. However, I would support having to hold a dog license - I would support having to go through mandatory training to own a dog to get a license, the same way you have to go through mandatory training before you can get a driving license. This would weed out the half arsed “I fancy a dog but don’t want to put the work in” owners and mean the general dog population would be well trained, well socialised and far easier to be around for everyone.

I would support harsher fines for having dogs off lead in areas they aren’t supposed to as well as not picking up after your dog and definitely harsher repercussions if your dog attacks someone else or someone else’s pet or livestock.

I wouldn’t be in favour of a blanket ban of them being allowed in business premises - that should be up to whomever owns the business and dog haters can go elsewhere (the same way that someone who doesn’t like being around children wouldn’t go and have a coffee at their local soft play) but better dog owners would make this a better experience for everyone, anyway.

And if you allow your dog to relieve itself inside one of those premises you get kicked out. Simple.

We do not need to ban all dogs. We need to ban shitty owners from owning dogs.