Woman 19 dies in dog attack

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Woman 19 dies in dog attack in Bristol

Apologies if there’s already a thread on this, but how many more lives have to be taken in these horrific attacks before the Government admit that the current measures are failing. It surely has come to the point now that all XL Bullies should be euthanised.

And if we start allowing blanket bans on dog ownership just because some people don’t like them, where does that end? What else will people believe they can get banned? Should we ban all other pets too? How about cars? They smell, pollute the environment and can be dangerous too.

Hmm. You didn’t mention allergies until now, but taking them at face value, yes, I can see how it would be restricting.

However, again, it’s not me you have an issue with - it’s the cafe owner. They decide to let dogs in. If they didn’t, me and my dog wouldn’t be there.

I don’t believe anyone has allergies that strong that they can’t be outside in the same vicinity as a dog. Perhaps a vanishingly small number and it’s sad for them, but again, plenty of dog free / dogs on leads green spaces.

The dog poo - completely agree. But again, that’s shitty people. As a side note, there is actual human shit in our local forest because humans are so gross.

Nauseous with the smell? That says mental disorder to me (or drama llama). Sad, but again, not something we can legislate around unless it affects the majority of the population.

I don’t impose my dog on you. I exist in the world, with a dog, in accordance with the laws and local ordinances.

You believe they shouldn’t exist.

We are both free to live our lives and make choices so they are our best ones - but you cannot impose your beliefs on me, any more than I could declare I believe everyone should have a dog and force you to have one.

I'm a dog owner and lover but I don't expect them to be allowed everywhere, especially where food is served. I think that where they are allowed they should be restricted to a certain area, even if that's outside. There are a lot of country-type pubs in our surrounding area and it's common for dogs to be allowed in the bar but not the lounge which I think works well.

I do find it frustrating where dogs aren't even allowed outside (looking at you 'Spoons), but I get that's their prerogative and, to be fair, Tim Brexit-Spoons has clearly stated he has no intention of changing the policy so if you want dog-free, 'Spoons is your go-to.

Admission: We did once take our dog to a 'Spoons sitooterie not knowing the policy and ordered and paid for breakfast. When the food was brought the waitress told us dogs weren't allowed, we pointed out that there were no signs to that effect outside, so she said we could stay to eat but to keep the dog out of sight and leave as soon as we'd finished.

We were staying 2 nights in the (dogs allowed) hotel next door but dogs weren't allowed in the breakfast area so 'Spoons had seemed the better option. Luckily we could move the car next to the pub so the following morning the poor dog had to sit in the car with the windows open, watching and smelling us eating our full English on the terrace.🐶

Spoons it is then!!

I do wonder when I see cross breeds from vastly different sized dogs.

Vitality is not dog food, it is health insurance. The dog in it is also the first sausage dog in the UK to gain high level accreditation for scent work. One of her other dogs is trained to search for missing people, and also missing dogs.

I met a police sniffer dog in the vets. His handler said that dog was specifically trained to detect things like phones and sim cards. I think he was called a "tech dog".

Give over. These dogs are dangerous and have no place in civilised society. How many more people must be killed before this is accepted.

Since we're trading anecdata, my experience is that more and more dogs are on-lead. I used to very rarely encounter on-lead dogs when walking mine, but since the Covid dog boom and masses of new houses being built locally, I see loads more on-lead dogs. I find it bloody annoying, because I feel obliged to call my own dogs to me, in case the dog is on-lead because it is aggressive - and in any case, on-lead greetings are much more likely to lead to discord between dogs than off-lead ones.

This thread is eye-rollingly bizarre. Humans and dogs have co-evolved for millennia, so clearly living with and dealing with dogs is deeply ingrained into many, many people.

Totally agree with all of your points here - including feeling obliged to call your dog back.

And the co-evolved thing is fascinating. Don’t they reckon that all dogs have a common ancestor with the wolf (or the common ancestor IS the wolf) and basically what happened was that man and wolf teamed up and both got food out of the deal. They helped each other hunt. And the wolves that ingratiated themselves with humans survived and went on to reproduce and their pups in turn, ingratiated themselves with humans. It’s a millennia long love story.

You may find this fascinating:

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it's been 5 years since the pandemic kicked off and all the feckless owners rushed out to get their cockadoodledoos which are untrained, cannot be left at home so have to be taken out everywhere, jump up at people and have zero recall.

Hopefully in another 5 or 6 years these animals will be dying off, and their feckless owners will realise that actually having a dog is not for them and life will get back to normal.

Precisely. It’s feckless owners that are the problem.
Although not in the case of the XL, where I don’t think they should be owned by anyone!!

Dogs should at the very least be banned from towns and cities. If people want them they should move to the countryside.

Another XL attack today. A man in West Brom is in hospital. Looks like it was the back garden.

Do you really think people are going to click on random YT videos?

If you want to make a point, do it with reliable evidence.

The manipulative little sods even developed a new set of muscles around the eyes to be able to make ‘puppy dog eyes’ at us.

And they say cats are the masters…

Sooner or later ordinary people are going to rise up against dogs and dog owners. The government really needs to crack down on dogs before that happens.

Ordinary people don’t even rise up against things that really matter like corruption, inequality, bigotry.

No one is collectively organising against labradors.

Yeah, something like that, over many millennia.

Dogs are thought to descend from an extinct sub-species of wolf. From what I know of human cultures where hunter-gathering was still a key component of food supply within living memory, dogs were not pets, that were assistants in the hunt: tracking, finding and bringing to bay. Some cultures still have this relationship with their dogs: they feed them and care for them, but the dog isn't there to look cute, the dog is there as a functional and productive member of the group.

But to work with a dog, you need to understand it, and it's from that understanding that close bonds develop between human and dog. I think that if more people actually did things with their dogs, rather than treating them like toddlers, canine behaviour would improve massively.

It's a great channel I followed in the past (she seems to have tailed off posting now, made enough great points), but basically it points out the dogs evolved with humans in great part because before we had toilets and modern plumbing, we had to shit here and there, and dogs would eat that alllllll up. Really worth a watch - I have just rewatched it - she cites various studies, and is super well-researched. The reliable evidence is all there.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/man-seriously-injured-dog-attack-31205899

Seems at least it was the man's choice to be in that garden, at least, I hope it was. I have no sympathy for dog owners who get mauled by their own dogs, or for people who choose to visit people with dogs.

I couldn’t agree with you more.
I am in the process of looking for a Labrador puppy. They are working dogs. I will not treat my dog like a human. He will be loved and cared for and well trained so he has good doggy manners. I want to understand him and for him to understand me. I think this is where maybe most people fall down. They get a dog based on how it looks and that it’s cute and then don’t realise how much looking after they require, beyond even the basics of cleaning up after them, feeding them and walking them. I think, for some breeds anyway, they are more of a lifestyle choice and a hobby as well as being a companion. I can’t wait to learn more about dog psychology and training etc!

FWIW, I initially had my heart set on an even more high maintenance breed but had to be sensible and decided that it just wasn’t the right time for me but maybe in the future.

The irony being that arguing in favour of dog ownership on this thread has made me even more determined to get one

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Was this another XL attack? The article doesn’t state.