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Our friends have distanced themselves from us and we've just found out why!

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PinkGiraffe1 · 22/02/2025 13:25

Me and DH have been friends with Ann and Ben (not real names) for over 15 years. We're all late 30s now.

Ben and I worked together and introduced our partners early on as we all got on really well. We've been to each other's weddings, been on holiday, lots of day trips. Probably spoke every few days etc. We've been there for new jobs, kids, etc. Helped move house and been there when we've lost parents/grandparents. You get the gist.

We all come from working class backgrounds and pre covid, we had fairly similar lives (in the sense of jobs, homes, holidays, money, lifestyle etc)

Ann got pregnant mid 20s (not planned) and wanted to be traditional so they got married and about 6 months after their son was born, they bought a house near to where she was raised (about 90 mins from us).

Ann & Ben were the first amongst our friends to have children/mortgage/marriage etc. The rest of us followed suit about 5-10 years later. During that time Ann told me she felt quite lonely and isolated from other friends. Then just before Covid her son was diagnosed with ADHD. They also had fertility issues and about a year ago she gave up trying for a second. She's also had health issues which has affected her mobility. Bar me and my DH, she doesn't have anyone else (except her DH and DS). Her words.

Pre covid me and DH had a very average lifestyle - both worked, had 2 kids, 3-bed semi house, holiday once a year etc

During Covid everything changed. I lost both my parents and my last remaining grandparent. Long story short, I inherited a lot of money.

I also got made redundant from a job I'd had for nearly 15 years. I then went freelance and due to the nature of my work (helping small businesses get online) it just took off and has been incredibly lucrative. My husband's boss got fired and he took over being Head of his Department. So he had a huge pay rise.

Between the inheritance, redundancy and new jobs, we've got a lot more money. Most of it has been spent on a bigger house, and yes, we've enjoyed extra holidays, nights out, nicer clothes etc. We've also had 2 more children (twins). We know we're incredibly lucky and we very much try to be humble and unflashy. We don't post on social media and the rest of our friends/family say we're still the same.

However Ann and Ben have been distant with us. They've turned down our invites, not invited us over. Taken ages to reply on WhatsApp (or not at all). We've both asked each of them if everything is okay or if we've done something to cause upset but they say no, they're just busy.

However last week at a mutual friends party (A&B weren't there), Clare, who was a bit drunk) told us that A & B are avoiding us because of our lifestyles and new found wealth. They said they hate that we apparently have it all and they don't. They feel poor and rubbish compared to us.

I was floored. My DH said he didn't believe it. Said its been a misunderstanding. So he called Ben the next day and gently explained what had been said. We expected denials but he confirmed it. He was rather sheepish and apologetic about it but said he had to stand by Ann.

I feel so upset. I don't know whether to speak to Ann or leave it.

Wwyd? I'm so upset as I thought we were close. She knows how devasted and low I was at losing my parents and grandparent. She also knew how much I loved my job. I feel so sad right now.

OP posts:
Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 24/02/2025 02:59

Trunksarebetter · 23/02/2025 20:26

So fantastic that she’s now actively avoiding the OP because she’s jealous of her inheritance and success?

So fantastic that it’s been 3 Months and she hasn’t said any of that.

She’s protecting her mental health and she has every right to.

She’s been an amazing friend it’s silly to pretend three months of space is a big issue.

WhiteJasmin · 24/02/2025 03:36

Ann is experiencing infertility and own health issues whilst also dealing with a son with ADHD. She's got a lot on her plate. Anyone who's experienced infertility can tell you that when they see a baby announcement, they are happy for the couple but it's a constant reminder of their own failure to conceive. You also had twins, so double the blessings not given to Ann. She just needs distance to process her situation and not get stuck of being on a loop of the constant reminder of what's not to be. Let her have that space and in time when she's processed her situation you can reconnect then.

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 24/02/2025 05:35

PinkGiraffe1 · 23/02/2025 12:16

Thank you everyone. Even the not so nice posts have made me question everything. The reason I'm surprised is Ann was happy for me about the house, she couldn't wait to come round. She helped me sort bits with my parents house/estate and it was actually her idea to go freelance. When I told her I was pregnant and with twins, I was bricking it. But I couldn't exactly hide it. She even offered to throw a baby shower for me. She's been distant now for about 3 months. My twins are 7 months old and she's met them loads of times. That's why I thought it was something else I'd done.

Anyway, I'm going to step away from this thread for now. I'll send flowers on her birthday and come back if there's any update.

I won't be hounding her as I get she wants space away from me. And just FYI, my DH did confront Ben or had it out with him. It was very much lightheated. They even chatted over football results.

I'm guessing either it all hit her what she'll never have or she's not coping. She obviously wanted to celebrate the good things that happened to you. People who don't have ND kids have no idea how it changes your life and how hard it can be. When things are bad I reach out, when they're really bad I shut down. That's not about anyone else, I have absolutely nothing left to communicate with. I want to talk to people, even compose messages in my head that never get sent because it's too much. I am happy for my friends when good things happen, I want good things to happen to them, I want them to have great lives, I just have nothing left. I am always on, always watching, always having to deal with something. The friendships that have lasted are those with parents who also have ND kids because they understand, because they know if I vanish for a while it's about me and my kids, and vice versa. They know how it feels like to spend every day getting screamed at by a child who is completely overwhelmed by the world. There are people I miss, friends I miss, but I don't have anything left to even talk to them. It's likely this is about her pain or her struggles. You can love someone and be happy for them but be unable to communicate. Burnouts a bitch. Maybe she'll come back, maybe too much has happened to her and she won't be able to. It doesn't automatically mean she doesn't care for you or isn't happy for you, it doesn't mean she didn't have a genuine deep friendship with you, it doesn't mean she doesn't miss you, it might just mean right now whatever is going on with her life she isn't able to respond to and interact with you.

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 24/02/2025 05:59

Trunksarebetter · 23/02/2025 20:26

So fantastic that she’s now actively avoiding the OP because she’s jealous of her inheritance and success?

Or because she's burnt out and not coping. She wanted to celebrate her friends twins, even though she's struggled with infertility. She sounds like over the years she been a really good friend, as has OP, she's not suddenly a different person because she's not coping the way you think she should.

Trunksarebetter · 24/02/2025 07:31

Gogogo12345 · 24/02/2025 02:01

But Ann could possibly lose bother parents and not a penny in inheritance. .

How is that relevant?

Goldbar · 24/02/2025 08:12

I think people are forgetting how busy modern life is and how much Ann may have on her plate, especially if she also has ADHD. She may not be so much jealous and bitter as worn out, frazzled and overwhelmed. Lots of us find it hard to keep up with friendships which are beneficial to our lives, let alone those which have become a bit difficult for whatever reason. I highly doubt Ann is sitting around judging and being resentful about the OP, as opposed to just trying to get through each day.

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LizzyA123 · 24/02/2025 11:42

How about send the flowers with a “Hi, I hope you have a lovely day and would love to catch up soon; I miss you. “

NicolaJM · 24/02/2025 13:32

SometimesCalmPerson · 22/02/2025 13:33

It’s not that they personally begrudge you or have stopped liking you, this is entirely about how they’re feeling about themselves. I don’t mean that in a mean way towards them. I can just understand how being around people who have the things they want and need is going to leave them feeling worse about things they’re already feeling bad about. They’re just trying to manage and avoid depressing themselves.

Exactly this. I’d say they’re just trying to manage themselves & their own mental health. Being jealous is horrible & we can’t always help it.

hydriotaphia · 24/02/2025 13:42

I don't at all think there is anything wrong with this, but from your description you have not been unflashy at all - bigger house, nights out, "extra" holidays, nicer clothes - that is pretty much the definition of flashy! And that's fine - it's your money to spend, I'd do the same. But this, and the fact that you note "friends say you haven't changed" (the very fact that friends are aware you are now rich indicates that you haven't kept it under wraps!) does suggest you have been a bit flash with the cash. And on top of that you have had twins when Ann has had to give up the hope of having another child.

They have found it triggering and have discreetly protected themselves. It would be very wrong of you to bring it up with them imho.

KimberleyClark · 24/02/2025 14:10

Trunksarebetter · 24/02/2025 07:31

How is that relevant?

Losing parents is something that happens to everyone but not everyone becomes fabulously wealthy as a result. Look at all the threads on here moaning about I heritan e and how unfair it is when some peop,0le inherit fortunes and others don”t.

JoyousGreyOrca · 24/02/2025 14:16

Funeral poverty is a real thing. About 25% of families go into debt when a loved one dies - usually paying for a funeral on installments.

Trunksarebetter · 24/02/2025 16:33

KimberleyClark · 24/02/2025 14:10

Losing parents is something that happens to everyone but not everyone becomes fabulously wealthy as a result. Look at all the threads on here moaning about I heritan e and how unfair it is when some peop,0le inherit fortunes and others don”t.

Yes, but I’m not sure that it’s fair to shrug off OP’s loss because she got an inheritance and Ann might not get one. She also might get another 20-odd years with her parents that OP will never have.

the7Vabo · 24/02/2025 16:38

Trunksarebetter · 24/02/2025 16:33

Yes, but I’m not sure that it’s fair to shrug off OP’s loss because she got an inheritance and Ann might not get one. She also might get another 20-odd years with her parents that OP will never have.

Do we even know if Anne’s parents are alive?

axolotlfloof · 24/02/2025 17:19

My uni friend ditched us when she was having fertility issues and I got pregnant with our first.
We kept inviting and including them but it felt 1 sided. They adopted 2 children a decade ago but it felt like my friend never forgave me for getting pregnant.
I wish her well but got tired of being rejected.

Ferniefernfernfern · 24/02/2025 17:24

If I had to guess, I’d bet the infertility is at the heart of it. Sometimes we don’t handle feelings very well—maybe just let her know you recognize she’s having a really hard time and you’ll be there when she feels ready.

Trunksarebetter · 24/02/2025 17:35

the7Vabo · 24/02/2025 16:38

Do we even know if Anne’s parents are alive?

No, we don’t. Although I expect that if they died, it was far worse for her than it was for the OP.

Hwi · 25/02/2025 07:55

Cookiecrumblepie · 22/02/2025 13:56

Money is generally a factor that poisons everything. Even in families people turn when money is involved. It’s life. You can have one thing (money/success)) and not others (friends/ feeling of community). It’s completely normal. That’s why wealthy people have loads of children, because no wealthy person really has a friend that doesn’t count their money as part of the equation

You mean not money, but people's attitude to money, surely? Money is inanimate.

Reallytiredme · 25/02/2025 09:09

I’d leave it, I’ve had to distance myself from an old family friend (DD also friends with their child) due to them even telling me (this was the final straw) that I wasn’t allowed to mention DDs hobby in their presence, as their child would be jealous and upset (they are not little kids..) bearing in mind this ‘hobby’ is a huge part of our lives. I’m not even loaded, just prioritised different things! It got so toxic I just can’t be bothered anymore, as I didn’t feel I could share ANY good news or achievements, how sad when your supposed to be friends, you’ll find yourself hiding things and downplaying everything.

KimberleyClark · 25/02/2025 09:30

axolotlfloof · 24/02/2025 17:19

My uni friend ditched us when she was having fertility issues and I got pregnant with our first.
We kept inviting and including them but it felt 1 sided. They adopted 2 children a decade ago but it felt like my friend never forgave me for getting pregnant.
I wish her well but got tired of being rejected.

It wasn’t about you.

ThisFluentBiscuit · 25/02/2025 15:53

axolotlfloof · 24/02/2025 17:19

My uni friend ditched us when she was having fertility issues and I got pregnant with our first.
We kept inviting and including them but it felt 1 sided. They adopted 2 children a decade ago but it felt like my friend never forgave me for getting pregnant.
I wish her well but got tired of being rejected.

I understand completely. I haven't been rejected for getting pregnant, but I've certainly been rejected for other pieces of good fortune. Some people don't want you to have anything nice or good.

ThisFluentBiscuit · 25/02/2025 15:54

Hwi · 25/02/2025 07:55

You mean not money, but people's attitude to money, surely? Money is inanimate.

Talk about splitting hairs. I doubt anyone thinks money is animate!

asrl78 · 26/02/2025 15:07

Hwi · 25/02/2025 07:55

You mean not money, but people's attitude to money, surely? Money is inanimate.

Or maybe not money, but some people's arrogant personality traits which can come rushing to the surface when they come into wealth. It is really personality flaws which poison everything. It is why I say that anyone who claims to hate people because xyz should first take a hard and critical look at themselves before blaming the entire human race for their issues, since they are the only common factor.

asrl78 · 26/02/2025 15:12

ThisFluentBiscuit · 25/02/2025 15:53

I understand completely. I haven't been rejected for getting pregnant, but I've certainly been rejected for other pieces of good fortune. Some people don't want you to have anything nice or good.

It depends and maybe best not to judge too quickly. Sometimes seeing other people close to you rising higher and higher can feel like having your nose rubbed in it and can fuel feelings of failure/inadequacy. On the other hand, it could just be their friendship was fake and now the mask has come off and they are revealing their true nature. Might take a bit of time to work out which. If you really love someone, surely you would be happy for them doing well in life or coming into good fortune?

DoubleMM · 27/02/2025 09:15

tell Anne you miss her and need her

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