Non binary

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Watching first dates and someone said they were non binary and asked the bar guy what his pronouns were.
I just don’t understand surely you are male or female whether that be what you were born or not. I just can’t get my head round not feeling youre either. Can anyone please put it in simple terms for me.

I don't conform to outdated sexist gender stereotypes. I am a woman.

Claiming non-binary to be special?

They are archaic words that used to be used for people who did not conform to binary sexuality or gender norms. Well documented historically.

Nor even understand it or care. You just make sure you are respectful of people who do care and leave them be.............

Super interesting point.

Ah yes but what about the AIDS?

It wouldn't arise because even if it theoretically possible for a male to carry a baby he fathered in his highly unusual uterus, the conception would require a donor egg.

This man, by definition, hasn't produced one.

It's trying to say you're neither sex, which is impossible. Unless you were born with no reproductive organs whatsoever. Even then you may have majority male or female physical traits.

I presume it is a trend that will subside. I wouldn't say I feel like I'm female. I just know I am because of the way I look, the way my body works and the way I've been treated since birth. That doesn't mean I'm not?!

So yeah, it's a bit of a head scratcher.
If I met someone who claimed they were I would just treat them like a regular person, and avoid using pronouns at all.

Definitely wouldn’t be a clone no.
Sperm and eggs only have half the genetic material needed to make a complete set of DNA. ´Has ovarian tissue’ does not necessarily mean ´produces eggs’ so I wouldn’t say there’s any evidence from this post that this person does. Then, even if one human did produce eggs and sperm, it doesn’t mean that putting those together would produce a viable embryo. You’d end up with around 50% of the pairs of genes being identical so the potential for a problem caused by 2 faulty recessive genes would be high. Also if there were Y chromosomes in half the eggs then a quarter of the fertilized eggs would have 2 Y chromosomes and probably be unviable.

Ah yes, @TheKeatingFive- of course. I'd forgotten that detail.

@UndertheseaPineappleHouse, thank you for the explanation on that hypothetical idea. I understood about 75% of what you said so I appreciate your explanation!

Go and look up a high school science level explanation of human reproduction. That should help. Meiosis vs mitosis.

"Mollies" was an insult. They didn't fuck women so they weren't dignified with the epithet "men"

Dandies? Beau Brummel was one. It was all about the Look. In the early 80swe had New Romantics and Poseurs. Could be either sex. Andcwere generally sure of their sex and sexuality. Not pretending to be the opposite sex. I loved it. All those pretty men in make up? David Sylvian and John Taylor? Yum

Yep.
That post is nonsense.

It means nothing - is just a load of navel gazing. I am female, I like wearing make up and having my hair nice. I also wear jeans 95% of the time.

I am nothing special.

How do you arrive at that conclusion? The one about women being gender fluid?? That one's news to me.

It might not be useful most of the time. However, this is a discussion about non-binary gender.

"Saltation" is a word that most people don't know. It's hardly ever useful, but is invaluable when discussing the way sand moves across the desert to form dunes.

Just because you personally don't have use for a word, doesn't mean it ceases to exist.

And you talking about which words you do or don't like, doesn't answer the OP either, does it?

As I said earlier, the word only has a function as a result of including men in the category of women.

Go back to original definitions of men and women, everything becomes much clearer and we don't need any of this garbage.

We’re women, female, irrevocably.

We wear all sorts- trousers, frills, beanies and dungarees and skirts. make up or no make up, hair long or not. What’s different about the non binaries? In today’s language I reckon we’re all NB. We just didn’t feel the need for a special name.

Since when was it controversial to be a short haired, non dress wearing female, who thinks this is so unusual it deems then a non female. What a load of sex stereotyping pish!!! Just makes it even more clear that the last 25 years have been regressive in term of identity politics replacing the acceptance of gay, lesbian & bisexual people as a valid naturally occurring variation in sexuality. I can't believe that in 2025 in the UK a female engineer wearing a crew cut and dungarees might be viewed or even identify as non binary. Laughable, sexist and so mysoginist.

There's a bit more to it than the clothes that you wear or am I missing something.

This!

And in terms of there being more to it than clothes @AgnesX, I think that it part of the problem - there is no point at which being non-binary starts or ends (other than perhaps declaring yourself so) because it’s a nonsense concept - in addition to being harmful for the reasons above that it perpetuates regressive stereotypes.

I don't think it's a thing anymore.

Sadly it is - particularly among girls and young women, many of whom are using it as a way to cope with sexualised expectations of being female, or worse as means of coping with or trying to escape the pain of abuse.

Others are still just adopting it an identity because their friends are, or perhaps they are gay or lesbian or they think it somehow gains them something (in the oppression competition or the I’m Special club)

No you absolutely do not need to be respectful.

Non binary is tosh to many and it's fine to express that opinion.

We are currently in a destabilising world swinging to the right politically. Part of the reason that is happening is because people got sick to death of their thoughts and speech being compelled over shit like this. The right has successfully swept up many that were disaffected.

I absolutely do not respect people who try to pretend they don't have a biological sex but exist in some ethereal hinterland. Rather just being a woman that likes cricket or a man that's keen into baking.

One old acquaintance told me she's non binary because she's very feminine in her dress but assertive like a man in the workplace.

She considers herself a feminist but is actually practically an MRA. She clearly hadn't clocked that considering the trait of assertiveness to be naturally male is playing into the gender stereotypes she claims she has left behind with her special new status.

Respect is earned and declaring yourself non binary ain't the way to get it. Quite the opposite.

Lol special club indeed! Well hopefully it won't be a thing for long, thanks to trailblazers like J K Rowling :-)