Non binary

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Watching first dates and someone said they were non binary and asked the bar guy what his pronouns were.
I just don’t understand surely you are male or female whether that be what you were born or not. I just can’t get my head round not feeling youre either. Can anyone please put it in simple terms for me.

It does matter - for the reasons stated by @TheKeatingFive but also because I would like to discourage (being polite) a belief system that perpetuates regressive sex stereotypes.

Your right not to be assaulted do trump his right to be employed by the hospital

Any doctor who says that is saying she/he would commit an assault and that she/he expected other staff to assist.

The NHS have a problem in that they are now allowing the doctor to work in an environment which is hostile to staff whistleblowing should such a situation arise.

On the language bit. One of the other UK hospitals had instructions for staff to imagine you were a White woman objecting to a Black woman. So the space between trans and woman carries a whole lot of socialisation as it attempts to fundementally change society's understanding of sex.

And he is likely hetero/bi as he is married to a woman (or claims to be).

No, the non-binary person only thinks he or she understands.

There's no such thing as a human who is neither man nor woman. So there's nothing it can feel like for a human to be that. You might think you understand how it feels to be something impossible, but actually you don't (because you can't).

People often think they understand things they don't. Hmm, @JHound?

I think the non-binary person knows exactly how they feel.

They don’t need you to think for them.

How does it matter? OP is not on a date with this person.

I am sure the Schizophrenic knows exactly how they feel, too.

It doesn't make the delusion less of a delusion.

But they do need you to play along with their demands that you pretend that they are neither male or female because of their haircut.

It matters because the whole belief system that underpins ‘non-binary’ is unscientific and based on regressive sex stereotypes. It harms women and children especially.

People can hold whatever beliefs they like about themselves but non-binary and trans people tend to seek to impose these beliefs on others and some are very nasty if you do not capitulate.

Most other people who hold beliefs that are not founded in science or reality are reasonable and mature enough to accept that others do not share their belief. The gender believers don’t seem to appreciate that others are not required to recognise or acknowledge their made up identities.

Thanks for the response.

I think you may be confusing someone knowing how he or she feels with someone understanding what something is like.

Of course there's an important sense in which a person knows how he or she feels. That's clear. But, well, understanding what something is like is different, isn't it?

I may well know how I feel, whilst not understanding what it's like to be something-or-other.

And it's not possible for me to understand what it's like to be something it's not possible to be, is it?

So, for all that the non-binary person knows how he or she feels, he or she cannot at all understand what it's like for a human to be neither a man nor a woman (since this is impossible).

Hmm?

There are people who are absolutely certain they're made of glass. I'm sure they know how they feel too. But they're not made of glass, and don't actually know how it would feel to be so.

One person who identifies as non binary person and another person who ID as non binary don't actually know exactly how each other feels because it's based upon what it means to them.
In the same way there are lots of religions and religious materials and different places to go and foods to eat. Beliefs are ultimately all up to the individual.
The issue isn't with people having their own beliefs, it's when they're imposed on others.
Actual physical being is separate from beliefs. We are all what we physically are and we cannot think ourselves out of having a physical body.

Thanks, yes, that’s a nice example. I’ll steal borrow it.

[Charles VI of France (also known as Charles le Bien Aimé but also as Charles le Fou (“Well-beloved”; “Mad”)) was perhaps the best-known sufferer from this ‘Glass Delusion’. (See, e.g., "El licenciado Vidriera" and the Glass Men of Early Modern Europe, Gill Speak, The Modern Language Review, Vol. 85, No. 4 (Oct., 1990), pp. 850-865.)]

The analogy with non-binary (and trans) delusions is particularly apt, I think @NoBinturongsHereMate (and @JHound if you're still about).