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Daughter’s friend acts like a twat

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outthereandbeyond · 19/02/2025 13:31

I’m failing as a parent here because I really don’t know where the boundary is.

my DD (8) has a friend (8) who really behaves badly, like all the time. On play dates, she is rude, never says please/thank you, throws things, breaks things (in my house) will have meltdowns and cry literally like a baby over the smallest things. Demands food then won’t eat it, defies rules when we’re together. Just everything annoying you could possibley think of in a child.

I’m ADHD, single mum & can get triggered when im overwhelmed. She came over for a play date yesterday and pushed me beyond my limits. I get a splitting headache whenever she’s around.

the mum is a good friend of mine, and I’ve tried speaking to her about it and suggesting small edits to how we parent in the pretence that we’re both fumbling through this journey. For example I suggest encouraging her to model using word when daughter cries instead of tears, or encouring our children to put on their own shoes (this child refuses to get dressed alone). My friend insists that my daughter is just as bad (she really isn’t) but I say yeah yeah, so as not to offend and to let them be as they’re finding their way in the world. I just disagree with this and feel that the girl plays up because the mum never models good behaviour.

Here is where everyone will shoot me…, my friend says she suspects her now to be SEN/autistic which would make sense - only SUSPECTS, not diagnosed. My daughter IS diagnosed with SEN.

But now my daughter accepts this awful behaviour when they’re on play dates and I don’t think my daughter should be putting up with this. One time this girl refused to wipe her bum after a poo and asked me to do it (our house). I explained that I wasn’t going to touch her body as it was private and that she ought to wipe herself or pull up her pants and deal with it at home. She screamed and cried for me to do it but I kindly declined as o didn’t think it was right to touch her, after all I wouldn’t be comfortable with someone doing it to my daughter at 8. After a few minutes all was quiet. When I went to check, my daughter, was wiping her bum for her. I pulled daughter aside and said ‘honey. That’s not your responsibility but your friends’ but my daughter said she would do it as she has special needs (not diagnosed, mind).

I told the mum and she said she thought it was fine as that’s what friends should do…. 🤯

help me, I want to guide my daughter and I don’t think she should be putting up with this in a friendship.

if I am wrong then please tell me gently.

OP posts:
Eenameenadeeka · 20/02/2025 00:40

What the heck, just stop having her for playdates

fridaynight1 · 20/02/2025 00:42

I’d say no more play dates. Full stop. Your DD needs to make new friends - don’t enable this friendship. It’s not ok for your DD to think this is ok.

Wishyouwerehere50 · 20/02/2025 00:45

outthereandbeyond · 20/02/2025 00:39

Thanks. I have prioritised this friendship as we have a lot of similarities. We’re basically both solo mums, doing this alone, both with sick parents. But you’re right. I need to think harder about this friendship as she is quite a dominating person.

Completely end the playdates and see if there is any mileage in the adult relationship between you both without getting the kids together.

She has no boundaries but you struggle with boundaries in some ways ( I do too btw) so you might get somewhere once you just establish boundaries with her. She might react well and your adult relationship can continue. I really think going straight to cutting her right off is not sensible because there are things you value here in this relationship.

Just start with cutting playdates ( your first boundary to address all this) and see how things evolve with her.

Devianinc · 20/02/2025 00:47

It’s rocket science.

HeyDoodie · 20/02/2025 01:04

aged 8 most children haven’t yet been diagnosed. It often takes years and many struggles. It sounds like the girl has Autism and PDA traits and could gain a lot from specialist suggestions in regard to strategies.

At the end of the day your child’s well-being is your priority and if this is being compromised, then take a long break (4 months?) before meeting again. It sounds as though your child is quite resilient however, she understands the behaviours are different to the norm. If you are finding behaviours overwhelming why not meet in public places rather than your house. Or just meet up alone with mum.

Lyannaa · 20/02/2025 02:28

Sometimes kids (even 8yos, even kids with SEN) can and do behave like twats.

No. They behave like kids. But if that's how you feel, no doubt it will influence what kind of a parent you are.

I've managed not to call my kids or anyone else's 'twats'.

One of my grown up dds had a friend in childhood whom I vividly remember doing stuff that made me think ADHD. If I turned my back for a second, she'd be climbing up great heights and jumping down, putting herself at risk, dropping bricks in our pond, breaking stuff. She also had a ban on invites to some peoples houses because she had form for breaking furniture.

Her mum started asking me if I could look after her when she was working and I just said 'no'. I didn't feel the need to call her names.

Commonsenseisnotsocommon · 20/02/2025 03:13

Wishyouwerehere50 · 20/02/2025 00:17

Because this forum is anonymous it's ok for OP to vent here.

Kids really can evoke strong reactions. I don't mean just because they're SEN but sometimes humans are unlikeable including kids

You may be happy reading foul mother diatribe about a child but many of us aren't and find it both distasteful and concerning.

outthereandbeyond · 20/02/2025 03:32

Lyannaa · 20/02/2025 02:28

Sometimes kids (even 8yos, even kids with SEN) can and do behave like twats.

No. They behave like kids. But if that's how you feel, no doubt it will influence what kind of a parent you are.

I've managed not to call my kids or anyone else's 'twats'.

One of my grown up dds had a friend in childhood whom I vividly remember doing stuff that made me think ADHD. If I turned my back for a second, she'd be climbing up great heights and jumping down, putting herself at risk, dropping bricks in our pond, breaking stuff. She also had a ban on invites to some peoples houses because she had form for breaking furniture.

Her mum started asking me if I could look after her when she was working and I just said 'no'. I didn't feel the need to call her names.

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OP posts:
XWKD · 20/02/2025 04:45

The mother sounds dreadful. Minimising contact is probably the best you can do.

Beesandhoney123 · 20/02/2025 05:17

No more meeting up.
You don't need an excuse! Just tell the truth. Perfectly reasonable. Your dd is worth better friends. That's it. As mum you are stepping in.

If at school together I would def speak to head so my dd was not going to the loo with her etc.

You dd sounds too young for a mobile, but if she does have one, go though it every night to check all the messages pics and apps. Block her friend. Only meeting in park if your dd wants to both parents present and paying attention.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 20/02/2025 05:40

MounjaroOnMyMind · 19/02/2025 13:37

I'm with the others - stop having her to your house. Limit the times your daughter goes to her house. Encourage your daughter to make other friends.

Exactly this.....

The mum clearly isn't listening.. It seems that continuing to flag this up, rather than withdrawing may damage YOUR friendship...

I think encouraging other friendships is the way forward.

Surely your daughter could have more fun with other kids who aren't sulky guests...

PS I had a (less) badly behaved friend at a similar age (without SEN) ...at 7/8 I found her funny... The friendship burnt out quite quickly when my mum gently steered me towards other kids.

MumonabikeE5 · 20/02/2025 05:47

Don’t have play dates, facilitate friendships with others

Therealmetherealme · 20/02/2025 06:04

Does this girl have play dates with anyone else? I think the mum is using you in a way, thinking you'll accept and understand her child's bad behaviour.

Ps My son has sen, he can most definitely be and behave like a twat at times. Being a child or having Sen does not mean you're immune from having your behaviour called out. It's not that deep.

ThejoyofNC · 20/02/2025 06:36

OP you seriously need to put a stop to this friendship. Your DD will get over it and will be better off for it.

Parents who are scared/unwilling to intervene when their children have bad friendships really fail their kids in my opinion.

outthereandbeyond · 20/02/2025 08:11

UninterestingFirstPost · 19/02/2025 13:39

Don’t invite the child. Don’t accept invites for your daughter. It’s not a healthy friendship. You don’t mention whether they are at school together.

They were and they recently moved. I breathed a secret sigh of relief when they said they had to move to another school (they moved house to another catchment area)

OP posts:
LilacLilias · 20/02/2025 08:11

Hmm, given your update about friend pooing herself in the park and mum laughing/mum minimising behaviour re:bum wiping or in general...

I think I would be quite worried about her parenting. How will the little girl be able to learn about appropriate behaviour when she is not being taught at all?

I know parents to PDA kids sometimes do low demand parenting etc, but this doesn't even sound like that... It sounds like she is not bothering to parent her child at all and completely ignoring her behaviour?

Do you think she is being neglected OP?

Pammi2 · 20/02/2025 08:13

my advice, good friend or not, break ties slowly, its the only way or it will get worse. We did this and we are more than happy with our choice.

outthereandbeyond · 20/02/2025 08:14

Commonsenseisnotsocommon · 19/02/2025 23:44

Oh for God's sake, grow up, woman! Yes I've read you're ND but that is not an excuse to be so uncouth and foul about a child. You really are a piece of work.

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OP posts:
outthereandbeyond · 20/02/2025 08:15

Pammi2 · 20/02/2025 08:13

my advice, good friend or not, break ties slowly, its the only way or it will get worse. We did this and we are more than happy with our choice.

I agree. I for see this child heading to disaster as she gets older. But I’m due to the way she’s managed by her parent, not because her a potential SEN

OP posts:
LilacLilias · 20/02/2025 08:17

outthereandbeyond · 20/02/2025 08:15

I agree. I for see this child heading to disaster as she gets older. But I’m due to the way she’s managed by her parent, not because her a potential SEN

I am actually wondering if there are real safeguarding concerns? Is she acting up because there is something really wrong at home?

Violetparis · 20/02/2025 08:17

Put your child first and stop these playdates, it's doing you and her no good.

Gymmum82 · 20/02/2025 08:18

outthereandbeyond · 20/02/2025 08:11

They were and they recently moved. I breathed a secret sigh of relief when they said they had to move to another school (they moved house to another catchment area)

This is good news. You can just slowly fade out the friendship. Be busy. Be non committal until she stops contacting you at all and your daughter will make another best friend

Pammi2 · 20/02/2025 08:31

we were very close with daughter new friend at secondary school from reception to year 2 (3 years) and their parents , everytime the daughter came to the house she controlled my daughter and was naughty. Not having it , we drifted away first by not attending her birthday party but slowly broke, best thing we did becuase now that girl is still a trouble maker 4 years on,

outthereandbeyond · 20/02/2025 08:36

Pammi2 · 20/02/2025 08:31

we were very close with daughter new friend at secondary school from reception to year 2 (3 years) and their parents , everytime the daughter came to the house she controlled my daughter and was naughty. Not having it , we drifted away first by not attending her birthday party but slowly broke, best thing we did becuase now that girl is still a trouble maker 4 years on,

Yes very interesting. Thanks for the insight. I think this child is heading for trouble, not because of a potential SEN, but the way she’s being parented. I wish I could say something to my friend but of course one cannot say ‘hey, you’re not doing it right’ as we’re all fumbling along

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Pammi2 · 20/02/2025 08:59

kids are reflection of parents and their parenting. good kids are parented well, bad / naughty kids are not parented and get away with everythign which is what this child was. even now the child instigates everthing with the new group of friends and they love it, but not my child,