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Daughter’s friend acts like a twat

231 replies

outthereandbeyond · 19/02/2025 13:31

I’m failing as a parent here because I really don’t know where the boundary is.

my DD (8) has a friend (8) who really behaves badly, like all the time. On play dates, she is rude, never says please/thank you, throws things, breaks things (in my house) will have meltdowns and cry literally like a baby over the smallest things. Demands food then won’t eat it, defies rules when we’re together. Just everything annoying you could possibley think of in a child.

I’m ADHD, single mum & can get triggered when im overwhelmed. She came over for a play date yesterday and pushed me beyond my limits. I get a splitting headache whenever she’s around.

the mum is a good friend of mine, and I’ve tried speaking to her about it and suggesting small edits to how we parent in the pretence that we’re both fumbling through this journey. For example I suggest encouraging her to model using word when daughter cries instead of tears, or encouring our children to put on their own shoes (this child refuses to get dressed alone). My friend insists that my daughter is just as bad (she really isn’t) but I say yeah yeah, so as not to offend and to let them be as they’re finding their way in the world. I just disagree with this and feel that the girl plays up because the mum never models good behaviour.

Here is where everyone will shoot me…, my friend says she suspects her now to be SEN/autistic which would make sense - only SUSPECTS, not diagnosed. My daughter IS diagnosed with SEN.

But now my daughter accepts this awful behaviour when they’re on play dates and I don’t think my daughter should be putting up with this. One time this girl refused to wipe her bum after a poo and asked me to do it (our house). I explained that I wasn’t going to touch her body as it was private and that she ought to wipe herself or pull up her pants and deal with it at home. She screamed and cried for me to do it but I kindly declined as o didn’t think it was right to touch her, after all I wouldn’t be comfortable with someone doing it to my daughter at 8. After a few minutes all was quiet. When I went to check, my daughter, was wiping her bum for her. I pulled daughter aside and said ‘honey. That’s not your responsibility but your friends’ but my daughter said she would do it as she has special needs (not diagnosed, mind).

I told the mum and she said she thought it was fine as that’s what friends should do…. 🤯

help me, I want to guide my daughter and I don’t think she should be putting up with this in a friendship.

if I am wrong then please tell me gently.

OP posts:
Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 19/02/2025 13:58

YABU for keeping having the kid over. Stop doing that.

Hwi · 19/02/2025 13:59

Cut contact. There are some nice SEN and AU children, we were blessed to have many of them as my dc friends from school, they were like fresh air, seriously and there were some destructive types - one boy kept throttling children (for real) and we never knew the reason why. So we naturally did not ever invite him and had no contact with him outside of school. Cut contact completely, not your child, not your problem, but it will become your problem through your child if this contact continues.

BigHeadBertha · 19/02/2025 14:00

I agree with those who say this is not a good friend choice for your daughter. It's very kind to want to help other children along but I'd draw the limit when it comes at too high of a price to your own kid.

Cutting off unsuitable friends also teaches your daughter a valuable life lesson, in my opinion. This will become a crucial thing for her to be able to recognize those who are not good influences and avoid them when she reaches her teen years.

Likewhatever · 19/02/2025 14:02

Tell the friend that you want them to take a break from each other as they aren’t gelling and it’s leading to conflict. You don’t need to say any more than that. Don’t be pushed, just reiterate, “I really think they need a break from each other”. “No I don’t think a play date is a good idea at the moment” “let’s leave it for a bit shall we?” and more of the same.

alwaysdeleteyourcookies · 19/02/2025 14:04

YABU to put up with this and making your daughter having to as well. She shouldn't have to so you can keep a friendship.

AnnaMagnani · 19/02/2025 14:06

Your DD needs a bit of help understanding friendship.

It sounds like she thinks she should wipe her friends bum as she needs to be kind to her friend.

She needs support understanding friends don't ask for unreasonable things and don't get upset when you say no.

middleagedandinarage · 19/02/2025 14:06

Eek! I would definitely be stopping the play dates and trying to subtly steer DD away from this girl! Does your DD have other friends? Can you arrange play dates with them to try and grow their friendships?

PurpleThistle7 · 19/02/2025 14:07

Yeah I'd not be inviting that situation into my house. There's no reason to try and work on the mother - she doesn't see the issue and has her own view on it all. But this isn't good for you or your daughter and you don't have to do it. It's not a family member or some sort of responsibility of yours. For various reasons, it's not a good fit and you can just not continue.

01Name · 19/02/2025 14:10

Stop this - before "she touched me down there" gets said to anyone.

historyrepeatz · 19/02/2025 14:10

Another for stopping the play dates or calling the mum to pick up her child when things start to deteriorate. It doesn't make you mean or unkind. Does DD have play dates with anyone else?

Ablondiebutagoody · 19/02/2025 14:10

Don't give the other mum parenting advice and don't have the child over.

commonsense61 · 19/02/2025 14:10

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Jellyslothbridge · 19/02/2025 14:17

TomatoSandwiches · 19/02/2025 13:35

No more play dates without her mother present.

This

NerrSnerr · 19/02/2025 14:19

But now my daughter accepts this awful behaviour when they’re on play dates and I don’t think my daughter should be putting up with this.

You're literally making her put up with it by continually having play dates. You are the adult so you can say no.

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 19/02/2025 14:20

Yanbu in every aspect apart from the bum wiping

A child genuinely needed your help and you refused. In real life, as a woman, you will have to provide care for a child in this situation, and you were wrong there

Other than that, I'd tell the friend that you can't have her dd over for the time being as her behaviour is just too much

Moveoverdarlin · 19/02/2025 14:22

I just would stop the play dates. ‘Sorry Sarah, I’m going to take a bit of a rain check on the play dates for the next few months. I just can’t cope’.

YourHappyJadeEagle · 19/02/2025 14:26

Practice a couple of responses for if/when your dd or the other child’s mother asks for her to come to you. “No that doesn’t work for me” “Can’t arrange anything at the moment” “we’re all rather busy right now”
Having the phrases already set in your head makes it easier. No one should have to put up with a child who behaves like that.

Dolambslikemintsauce · 19/02/2025 14:26

Just make plans to meet elsewhere.. You aren't a free childminder...

Aitchemarsey · 19/02/2025 14:30

TomatoSandwiches · 19/02/2025 13:35

No more play dates without her mother present.

This. If her behaviour is "fine", let her own mum deal with it. The mum needs a reality check- this kid is currently not on track to be joining a mainstream secondary in 3 years time.

Embarrassinglyuseless · 19/02/2025 14:32

YABU because you haven’t already tackled this more aggressively.

At the very least after the toileting incident I would have clearly said ‘your daughter isn’t willing to clean herself after using the loo at our house and I think it’s best she doesn’t come here without you”

why haven’t you put firmer boundaries in place?

Glorybox2025 · 19/02/2025 14:33

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 19/02/2025 14:20

Yanbu in every aspect apart from the bum wiping

A child genuinely needed your help and you refused. In real life, as a woman, you will have to provide care for a child in this situation, and you were wrong there

Other than that, I'd tell the friend that you can't have her dd over for the time being as her behaviour is just too much

Absolutely not. If the child can't wipe her own bottom then her mother needs to stay with her on play dates or at the very least check in advance if the host parent is willing to wipe her. This isn't the case. The OP knows that the child can wipe herself but for some reason doesn't want to. She's absolutely not wrong to decline to wipe this child's bottom.

Hankunamatata · 19/02/2025 14:34

I would have gone ballistic over her making my dd wipe her bum. I would have called the mum and told her to come pick her up now.
Playdates would not be happening

Shakeyourbaublesandsmile · 19/02/2025 14:34

What in the gentle parenting is this all about?

This child may have SEN which needs addressing or just needs to be parented proactively. The parent needs it spelling out to her directly by someone- as allowing this to be minimised is not helping the Mom or the child.

Does the child require help with personal care at school? Was there a genuine reason she needed help this on this occasion if no - it’s very unusual.

PDA?

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 19/02/2025 14:35

Glorybox2025 · 19/02/2025 14:33

Absolutely not. If the child can't wipe her own bottom then her mother needs to stay with her on play dates or at the very least check in advance if the host parent is willing to wipe her. This isn't the case. The OP knows that the child can wipe herself but for some reason doesn't want to. She's absolutely not wrong to decline to wipe this child's bottom.

Oh i think that if a kid needed help wiping their bum, and they're being suspected as autistic, I'd just do it with my dd present, lest they walk around with a pooey bum

I'd then tell the mum that it can't happen again and what you've said

But otherwise the op isn't at all unreasonable to stop visits tbh

ButIToldYouSoooo · 19/02/2025 14:37

YABU to continue hosting her. It's not fair to your daughter. Stop the playdates.