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Daughter’s friend acts like a twat

231 replies

outthereandbeyond · 19/02/2025 13:31

I’m failing as a parent here because I really don’t know where the boundary is.

my DD (8) has a friend (8) who really behaves badly, like all the time. On play dates, she is rude, never says please/thank you, throws things, breaks things (in my house) will have meltdowns and cry literally like a baby over the smallest things. Demands food then won’t eat it, defies rules when we’re together. Just everything annoying you could possibley think of in a child.

I’m ADHD, single mum & can get triggered when im overwhelmed. She came over for a play date yesterday and pushed me beyond my limits. I get a splitting headache whenever she’s around.

the mum is a good friend of mine, and I’ve tried speaking to her about it and suggesting small edits to how we parent in the pretence that we’re both fumbling through this journey. For example I suggest encouraging her to model using word when daughter cries instead of tears, or encouring our children to put on their own shoes (this child refuses to get dressed alone). My friend insists that my daughter is just as bad (she really isn’t) but I say yeah yeah, so as not to offend and to let them be as they’re finding their way in the world. I just disagree with this and feel that the girl plays up because the mum never models good behaviour.

Here is where everyone will shoot me…, my friend says she suspects her now to be SEN/autistic which would make sense - only SUSPECTS, not diagnosed. My daughter IS diagnosed with SEN.

But now my daughter accepts this awful behaviour when they’re on play dates and I don’t think my daughter should be putting up with this. One time this girl refused to wipe her bum after a poo and asked me to do it (our house). I explained that I wasn’t going to touch her body as it was private and that she ought to wipe herself or pull up her pants and deal with it at home. She screamed and cried for me to do it but I kindly declined as o didn’t think it was right to touch her, after all I wouldn’t be comfortable with someone doing it to my daughter at 8. After a few minutes all was quiet. When I went to check, my daughter, was wiping her bum for her. I pulled daughter aside and said ‘honey. That’s not your responsibility but your friends’ but my daughter said she would do it as she has special needs (not diagnosed, mind).

I told the mum and she said she thought it was fine as that’s what friends should do…. 🤯

help me, I want to guide my daughter and I don’t think she should be putting up with this in a friendship.

if I am wrong then please tell me gently.

OP posts:
DrinkFeckArseBrick · 19/02/2025 14:37

Agree no more playdates, I don't think it's healthy for your child to be around this type of behaviour. And the mum seems to be downplaying it, friends do not normally provide intimate care for other friends, it's massively inappropriate...would she come and wipe your arse if you were temporarily incapacitated in some way? Or would it make both of you feel very uncomfortable?

Just tell her that you're stopping them for a while as the last few times neither of the girls seem to have had a good time and there has been a lot of breakages and crying and meltdowns and don't think anyone has enjoyed it. I'd encourage other friendships, organise other playdates and talk to your daughter about acceptable behaviour

HolyPeaches · 19/02/2025 14:38

YABU to describe an 8yo (potentially and likely SEN) child as acting like a twat.

YANBU to not want to put up with this behaviour.

Stop having her in your home. That’s the only solution.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 19/02/2025 14:38

Also if she knows her daughter needs intimate care she should not be leaving her alone at someone else's house

Sunshiny12 · 19/02/2025 14:42

I have an autistic son. I know what you mean about neurodiversity. I would stay away from this child until she starts behaving better.

Dancingatthepinkponyclub · 19/02/2025 14:42

I’d have to stop having the child over. However I would have wiped her bum especially if I thought my own child would end up doing it- that’s just wrong!

MrsWhites · 19/02/2025 14:43

Why do you still allow this child in your home?

Viviennemary · 19/02/2025 14:44

Stop having this rude child in your house. She is a brat and needs to learn actions have consequences. It's up to the parent to sort her out not you.

Glorybox2025 · 19/02/2025 14:44

Dancingatthepinkponyclub · 19/02/2025 14:42

I’d have to stop having the child over. However I would have wiped her bum especially if I thought my own child would end up doing it- that’s just wrong!

Why would she assume her own DD would have done it? That is such an odd thing for a child that age to ask of their friend. Hard to predict!

chocmalt · 19/02/2025 14:44

I'd be limiting interactions with this girl and her mother and strongly encouraging other friendships instead. If your daughter does still see this friend, I'd continue teaching your daughter that there are limits to what is appropriate, even between friends, regardless of ability, and that she won't be allowed to visit with the friend if they can't accept that.

PaintCatsPaint · 19/02/2025 14:47

Dancingatthepinkponyclub · 19/02/2025 14:42

I’d have to stop having the child over. However I would have wiped her bum especially if I thought my own child would end up doing it- that’s just wrong!

I can’t imagine OP thought her child would end up doing it. I mean, why would anyone think that would happen? It’s not a reasonable assumption to make. This is an adult and two 8 year olds, and OP was not in a position that would reasonably involve an expectation of personal care on that level. No one should be wiping the arse of anyone else in this situation.

WhoisRebecca · 19/02/2025 14:50

It is absolutely not appropriate for your dd to be wiping someone else’s bum! That is outrageous and you need to protect your child immediately.

Gymmum82 · 19/02/2025 15:05

My dd has a friend who I really dislike. She’s rude. Never says please or thank you. Moans about the food I cook even if it’s something she’s requested. Puts on a silly baby voice when she talks which grates on me despite being 9 years old. Does it with other children too not just adults. After a few play dates I decided that actually no I don’t have to put up with it so we don’t have her over anymore. Dd knows she has to choose another friend if she wants a play date. Just stop having her round

BlueSilverCats · 19/02/2025 15:09

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 19/02/2025 14:20

Yanbu in every aspect apart from the bum wiping

A child genuinely needed your help and you refused. In real life, as a woman, you will have to provide care for a child in this situation, and you were wrong there

Other than that, I'd tell the friend that you can't have her dd over for the time being as her behaviour is just too much

Where exactly in real life are you wiping 8 yo's bums?

Even in schools, unless in nappies or with significant learning delays , we don't actually wipe their bums! We offer reassurance, support, wet wipes , bags etc, might wipe their legs but absolutely no bums are being wiped at that age!

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 19/02/2025 15:13

BlueSilverCats · 19/02/2025 15:09

Where exactly in real life are you wiping 8 yo's bums?

Even in schools, unless in nappies or with significant learning delays , we don't actually wipe their bums! We offer reassurance, support, wet wipes , bags etc, might wipe their legs but absolutely no bums are being wiped at that age!

Fair enough, i would

Mine is asd at almost 6 and I do hers so see it as more normal than others probably

MrsResponder · 19/02/2025 15:14

I'm so fed up of ND being used as an excuse for (literally) shitty behaviour.

As a kid, we had a neighbour who was autistic, long before it was something generally known about. He was non-verbal and not very mobile with severe learning difficulties. His condition was obviously life limiting in comparison to his peers. Of course exceptions would be made for him in terms of behaviour.

Now everyone is ND (I am too, don't bloody shoot me) and there seems to be this massive regression of expected, age appropriate behaviour for ND children. It needs to stop.

Stop the playdates. In years gone by that kid would have been mocked mercilessly by other kids for even suggesting a mate wiped her arse. 'Be kind', they say... be kind to your daughter by letting her know that laughing at that kind of request is the only acceptable response.

outthereandbeyond · 19/02/2025 15:33

AnnaMagnani · 19/02/2025 14:06

Your DD needs a bit of help understanding friendship.

It sounds like she thinks she should wipe her friends bum as she needs to be kind to her friend.

She needs support understanding friends don't ask for unreasonable things and don't get upset when you say no.

She said she wiped her bum because she just wanted to carry on playing. My daughter is often doing things beyond the norm to appease this girl. They’re both from solo parent families (we have no partner in the picture) so that’s a massive force for my daughter

OP posts:
ArtTheClown · 19/02/2025 15:36

I think you're going to need to put an end to both friendships, realistically.

Coolasfeck · 19/02/2025 15:37

No more playdates. Getting your DD to wipe her bum and her DM not batting an eyelid?! Nope.

Sunshiny12 · 19/02/2025 15:39

On the topic of children behaving badly, and I am not talking about SEN children, parents usually expect the school to bring up their children are so rude, they disrespect school staff all the time. And these are neurotypical children who happen to have VERY BAD PARENTS.

menopausalfart · 19/02/2025 15:40

If this friendship is important to you then you need to be very blunt and explain that you'll no longer tolerate with this behaviour.
If it's not important, get rid now.

AlwaysCoffee25 · 19/02/2025 15:41

It’s difficult because your friends but I agree stop having her over. She may or may not have SEN but that has no bearing on your daughter and what is and isn’t appropriate.

Normallynumb · 19/02/2025 15:45

I simply wouldn't have her over again
It's too much.
I would gently explain to your DD that some children can ask too much of others as it's easier for them, and it's ok to say no. A small mention of boundaries won't hurt as she grows up
I know you were trying to be kind to your friend, just like your DD, but I'd back off from the mum too( I'm a nice person honestly!)

AlwaysCoffee25 · 19/02/2025 15:47

Sunshiny12 · 19/02/2025 15:39

On the topic of children behaving badly, and I am not talking about SEN children, parents usually expect the school to bring up their children are so rude, they disrespect school staff all the time. And these are neurotypical children who happen to have VERY BAD PARENTS.

SEN children can have bad parents too.

SEN or not, parenting can make a huge difference. My son has a friend who has really challenging behaviour, similar tbh to what OP describes. Their parents are amazing, so dedicated and not tolerant which means that when I’m caring for him I atleast feel confident that they will accept whatever boundaries I’ve had to put in place.

coxesorangepippin · 19/02/2025 15:48

Not complicated???

Stop having her over

AlwaysCoffee25 · 19/02/2025 15:49

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 19/02/2025 15:13

Fair enough, i would

Mine is asd at almost 6 and I do hers so see it as more normal than others probably

My son, also 6 sometimes asks me for help - but I know he doesn’t at school or in any other setting. He is aware privates are private and I would have an issue if he was allowing others to wipe his bottom.