To be disgusted at the talks between Russia and the US

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So Russia and the US are meeting in Saudia Arabia to carve up Ukraine.

And Ukraine, whose people have been fighting and dying since their country was invaded, haven't even been invited to the table.

It's like we are back in the 19th century with the European colonial powers drawing lines on a map to divide Africa between them.

Very well said, PandoraSox

I'd have thought it obvious that more death and destruction is precisely what most wish to avoid, but a lot of emotion tends to cloud threads like this and odd narratives crop up - which is largely what prevented me answering @wholettheturnipsburn's perfectly reasonable question

Gung ho is not something I would associate with Starmer

The emergency Ukraine summit is under way.

Colour me surprised that the leftists want to continue with the endless meat grinder warmongering, same as it ever was.

The cash dispenser has run dry and is under new management putting American taxpayers first. The UK is irrelevant, there’s no need for a “bridge”. Lmfao if it wasn’t so fucking tragic.

Well the idea of 'odd narratives' is a strange one given we are not alone in this and Scholz and other EU leaders are closer to my views than most

I'm ok with finding common ground there.

If others feel strongly we should send troops, so much so they have clearly said they disagree with my take. No point in hiding from that now.

It is absolutely not a joke!
But so many on here want it to continue but would not actually fight themselves.
Luxury beliefs.

And this emergency summit has only happened because the US is not predated to carry on with Biden’s bankrolling.
They have had 3 years to have a summit -why was it not a priority then to have a ‘summit’

Same as it ever was? That's curious because I thought the longest wars that dragged on for decades was due to republican presidents, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan...

European countries have provided the most total aid to Ukraine. That means military, humanitarian and financial. The US has provided the most military aid, but this supports American manufacturers of weapons etc. The US are seemingly also asking for 50% of Ukraine 's mineral wealth in return for their support. It's not like the US are doing it all for free.

Hth

You want your sons to be cannon fodder instead?
They (EU and Z) want this war to continue endlessly. No NATO membership and no NATO on the borders of RU as previously agreed. I'd rather have peace and some land where the majority are Russian speakers anyway, to go (back) to Russia.
And no, I am not a Russian troll

Very sorry for everything that's happened to you and yours. I have people fighting in Ukraine and I'm from one of the ex-USSR-occupied countries, so I understand everything you're saying perfectly.

Look. I'm sure you're aware. 'They' (the West) simply don't care. They handed us to stalin back then, they'll do it again, push comes to shove. Exactly what's happening to Ukraine now.

NATO won't save us. It's not worth the paper it's written on. Sure, if russia decided to attack France, Germany, The UK - of course. An outrage. A nice, modern, 'proper' country, how the fuck dare they. Outcries and hashtags, 'pray for France' et al. Latvia? Lithuania? Romania? Who really gives a fuck, some tiny, poor, backwards shithole (which isn't true, but that's by the by). Like hell we'll send 'our sons' to war for this. And what's the big deal if russia has them? We can import cheap labor from Middle East/India/Bangladesh, who needs EE anyway.

Fine. Let's just hope it won't work out to be Sudetenland vol. II for them.

My country is in NATO, but the majority of my countrymen don't trust it and are making their own preparations and creating alliances to our neighbours in the same situation. Because we know fully well that putler won't stop there. They'll carve up Ukraine now, together with the Orangeman, he'll regroup and come for someone else in the region next. He did it with Chechnya, he did it with Georgia, he did it with Crimea and he'll do it again. And if he'll go for some small, inconsequential, new NATO member - so be it, the West won't lose much sleep over it.

Well if you're not a troll (which I'm not saying you are) then you're woefully misinformed

NATO is already on russians borders. And there was no agreement. It's up to NATO and the countries who apply to join. Not Russia. No one had attacked them. To be honest no one would be interested in it.

I'm not sure where youre from but you must realise that speaking Russian doesn't make you actual Russian.

Maybe France needs to invade and murder Luxembourg and Belgium. Germany should invade other parts of Switzerland. Austria too. Britain needs to oust the Irish government because they speak English. We can probably lay claim to other countries too

Silly Billy

I think the Trump / Putin deal in the making here is that Putin gets Ukraine and its rare earth minerals and Trump & Musk get Greenland and Canada's ....

Plus, it's all about creating a new normal where countries and their resources are seized by the big players as needed to keep their machines turning...

Hi Alternative, this is an interesting view. Russia has been chucking in it's people as a remedy for war woes since ww1. They've about have a population of about 140million. 10 million more women than men (because of those wars). Currently their population is declining and they've actually had to rely on immigration to maintain their population. I agree that they'll continue to rely on their men to continue to fight but it's not as exhaustible resource in the same way it was especially with the potential military power of NATO.

This is Mumsnet. I'm quite sure the professional army don't want people like me - a menopausal, fat, unfit old wifie

The cash dispenser has run dry and is under new management putting American taxpayers first

It was always going to happen if Trump got in again, @NewYorkBuilder, and it's not as if he hid what he stood for, but it'll take those who believed the subs would stay the same for ever a while to catch up

As a PP suggested, no wonder it took his election for EU leaders to decide they needed a summit ...

You thought wrong then. Do some more reading. And no I don’t want it quoted back at me.

This is Mumsnet. I'm quite sure the professional army don't want people like me - a menopausal, fat, unfit old wifie

It's probably more relevant to dc, if the right age etc

Hence the concern

This really needs to be listened to. Europe needs to really up its game.

You don't get to say what you want quoted back to you or not on a public forum unfortunately. If I choose to I will. No dictators here. I note that you have no specifics as a rebuttal.

The Russians are very happy

From the BBC

Russian state TV is overjoyed with how things are going.

"Zelensky is down, Europe is out,” says the presenter of the flagship weekly news review programme on Rossiya 1, as the caption next to Zelensky’s photo says: “He’s toxic”.

Over on the 60 Minutes talk show, commentator Nikolai Starikov admits his wildest dreams have been surpassed: “Things are moving so fast that yesterday’s biggest optimists now look like pessimists now.”

Propaganda.

This notion that every asinine, outwardly unhinged thing Trump does is actually some kind of 4D chess is about 4 years past its expiration date.

Trump is, allegedly, an adult of at least average intelligence and mental stability. It’s his responsibility to communicate clearly and be understood. If he doesn’t want to be looked at as a crazy person who wants to annex Greenland, he should stop saying he wants to annex Greenland.

For the record, if he was really being humorous it probably wouldn’t have resulted in a 45 minute argument with the Danish Prime Minister.

You’re correct, it’s not up to me to say what I want someone else to quote or not on a public forum. I shouldn’t have said that. As for a rebuttal I’m cooking for hungry people and it’s already late.