If you buy a massive 4×4 SUV...

[bravefox]

... to ask you to practise parking it in a single space? Saturday afternoon in the town multistorey and the number of huge cars parked half in a second space is 🤯

😂

Yet here you are still replying to my posts, if thats how you allegedly feel.

You might wanna have an introspective look at how you are wrong about motoring choices beyond the hill you're dying on.

You claimed there were no estates, or estate EV's - you're wrong on that as per my previous post - and proves my point succinctly about car choice/freedom of selection.

Something you bizarrely deny exists. 🤣🤦‍♂️

"But life is too short to argue with people like you on the internet."

And yet you still are here responding to me....🤦‍♂️

😂

Not sure how admitting my info was out of date by a few months constitutes arguing, but whatever makes you feel good about your life.

No, it wasn’t. There was a strong move away from estates and towards SUVs across the market. For example, Volvo announced they were stopping selling their estates, and the MG was the only e-estate for a long time. Some of these decisions have been reversed - in the case of e-estates, possibly because of the backlash against the weight of the e-SUVs (not that estates are much better,
mind).

But as I said, my info was a little out of date - it was a few years ago I was researching this. I admitted that, and everyone except you moved on.

(That was me arguing, fyi).

😂

Not sure why you’re so wound up by me, but it’s cracking me up.

😂

You can pay more to extend your certificate of entitlement (to own a motor vehicle) beyond ten years. You don’t have an automatic right to own a vehicle.

It’s not just SUVs; all cars are much wider now. A couple of years ago I stayed in Grenoble and the hotel parking was the nearby public multi-storey. My car (not an SUV) would not fit into a single space. There was not enough space to open a door, so the driver was trapped inside! It had to be parked across two spaces. Luckily, the hotel gave us two permits so the two spaces were paid for. Multi-storeys all over Europe (including the UK) are terrible for this, particularly older car parks which were built in the 1960s and 1970s when cars were much smaller.

all cars are much wider now
@BlackCountryWench2 I'm think that's (at least in part) because people are much wider now?

Not to be forgotten also is that some of the size changes have been made for safety reasons - larger crumple zones to protect passengers etc. It's not just because modern humans are devoted to driving enormous vehicles for aesthetic or status reasons.

🤣 Not really, the size of the seats and centre console in the cockpit are probably not all that much bigger. Think about how thick car doors are now. I was born in the 1970s and car doors are so much bigger now than on, say, my dad’s Vauxhall Viva. My OH has a 1980s Jag and the doors are so thin compared to modern cars. It’s because - as others have pointed out - better safety features and crumple zones, and there’s also a lot more electrics and electronics to fit behind the door card now - window and seat buttons, central locking, speakers etc. They only used to have a handle, press down lock, window winder and an ashtray!

OP this is my pet peeve too.🙄
Even worse is when I've parked my car, gone into the shop, then come back to my car to find I can't get back in it because some stupid twat has parked their huge SUV far too close to my car! That really makes me mad 😩

Why is it selfish, please explain otherwise you are coming across as just batty.

Alternatively if you can tell me which mini car can tow 3.5 tonnes I am very interested.

I am calling you out, because if YOU live in a city you have no NEED of a car FULLSTOP. Use public transport. We who live in the countryside need 4x4 for towing and driving in winter conditions (usually no snow plough at all). We get no public transport yet our taxes are used to pay for city transportation infrastructure.

Just SUVs? I suggest you would feel just as aggrieved if it was a large sedan or estate car of the same width as an suv.

Why are you aiming your ire at SUVs instead of being honest and admitting it's ANY extra wide vehicle you don't like

@JacquesHarlow

So Toyota are still selling the Corolla Sports Hybrid (that’s an estate).

Skoda literally has the two best in class estate cars with the Octavia and the Superb, wonderful cars.

BMW still sell a 3 series and 5 series estate last time I looked.

Mercedes still sell an E Class estate; you can buy it with a six cylinder engine even!

Audi still sell the A4 and A6 Avant (their fancy word for estate)

Do I need to go on?

People love to say “manufacturers don’t sell estates any more” when what they really meant to say is “manufacturers are making lots of cars which I want , but I need an excuse to explain why I buy that over an estate car”.

Half of the cars you've listed are at least the same width as most SUVs. Bit weird getting all ansty about SUVs being too wide and then buying a BMW series 5 estate

The ashtray 😃

Now replaced by the cupholder and final resting place space for multiple phone charger cables

The fun I had trying to find the ciggie lighter when I was selling the last car.

The thing I hate about SUV is that when one of these tanks parks next to me, I have zero visibility left or right if they are parked into the space forwards

People can buy whatever vehicle they wish...No one has the right to dictate to others, there is too much of that these days. Let people live their lives, aslong as they do not harm you in any way, just let it go

We have a 4x4:for boat towing purposes. It's the same size as a "normal" car. Amazingly we manage to tow our boat without using a LandRover

Bigger cars harm everyone.

They use more fuel.

They produce more emissions.

They are more dangerous to other road users.

Their increased weight damages the roads more.

EVs are heavy and do more environmental damage during their manufacture than normal cars.

And bigger cars these days are immensely fuel efficient otherwise they wouldnt be certified for sale. 🤦‍♂️

SUV drivers, Jesus may love you but everyone else thinks you're a cunt.

@RanchRat and that kind of potty mouthed attitude is why we don’t care 😊