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To be very weirded out by Elon Musks reproductive choices

260 replies

FancyRedRobin · 15/02/2025 13:16

I think he's up to twelve or thirteen children now with no sign of stopping and seems to have a very transactional approach to impregnating a series of women (presumably through IVF). It really speaks to looking at women as baby machines.
The colossal ego he has about maintaining his bloodline is so noxious.
I'm worried someone like him is so influential.
We'll be in the handmaid's tale before long.

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Cornishclio · 16/02/2025 07:28

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Okay but lots of people are saying what think he means, where has he actually said this?

Having thirteen children with three different women reportedly using IVF sort of gives a clue as to what he is trying to do especially when he is talking about rapidly reducing birth rate. Smacks of trying to repopulate the world with his own genes. That isn't normal behaviour.

Trailing that little 4 year old around to meetings with him also is strange. He doesn't want much to do with the older ones who are trying to distance themselves from him as they form their own views. The eldest is supposedly trans and has disowned him because of the way he was treated. Thoroughly unpleasant man.

TY78910 · 16/02/2025 09:46

I agree with @Cornishclio

Having 13 children with different women, via multiple routes such as surrogacy is unhinged. Whatever the reason behind this is, it's not out of love and desire of a big family life. Many of those kids are estranged. There are threads on MN where women are being slated for wanting a 4th child and get criticised for contemplating this so how can we think that Elon's actions are anything but sinister? He doesn't have to say in those words exactly 'I am a Nazi and want to save the population by building a superior race' but we can all read between the lines (his weird salute thing followed by his appearance and a German far right event two days later and tweets about population) and draw the conclusion.

LastNightMyPJsSavedMyLife · 16/02/2025 10:02

Has he approached you Op with a view to you carrying his child? Thought not. Put your energy into your own children and let him get on with his.

soupyspoon · 16/02/2025 10:04

sparrowhae · 15/02/2025 23:35

How can declining birth rate not be a threat to civilisation? I say this as someone with no kids myself. I agree with him on that statement. That isn't weird.

He is only concerned about declining birth rates in Western countries.

HotTake · 16/02/2025 10:32

The eldest is supposedly trans and has disowned him because of the way he was treated. Thoroughly unpleasant man.

Yeah, he actually said in one interview that his eldest is dead. Seems like he disowned that child too because he doesn't recognise/acknowledge the trans child as his child anymore.

thepariscrimefiles · 16/02/2025 10:48

Also, judging by the number of sons he has, it looks like he also used sex selection.

He is a natalist and a white supremacist so this is not surprising.

thepariscrimefiles · 16/02/2025 10:54

NinaNobody · 15/02/2025 14:31

I can't help but like him. I can understand why he wants to pass on his genes and it's not like he can't afford them?!

Yuck, passing on his apartheid loving, white supremacist, sociopathic, narcissistic genes? No thanks.

HotTake · 16/02/2025 10:56

He is only concerned about declining birth rates in Western countries.

Actually, it's the declining birth rates of white children. He might be the next Hitler.

HotTake · 16/02/2025 10:57

He's lobbied for white South Africans to come to the US on asylum. I doubt they're not going to be treated like your regular asylum seekers if they come.

soupyspoon · 16/02/2025 10:59

HotTake · 16/02/2025 10:32

The eldest is supposedly trans and has disowned him because of the way he was treated. Thoroughly unpleasant man.

Yeah, he actually said in one interview that his eldest is dead. Seems like he disowned that child too because he doesn't recognise/acknowledge the trans child as his child anymore.

Ironically the young person is probably 'trans' due to the dysfunctional and traumatic upbringing and likely ND (if its true that dad is ND), these are the usual comorbidities.

HotTake · 16/02/2025 11:32

I doubt they're not going to be treated like your regular asylum seekers if they come.

That was supposed to say:
"I doubt they're going to be treated like your regular asylum seekers if they come".

JHound · 16/02/2025 11:50

Hasn’t another new baby mother popped up for him this week. It seems he has yet to claim (or deny) this one.

The party of “family values” being anything but.

JHound · 16/02/2025 11:52

HotTake · 16/02/2025 10:57

He's lobbied for white South Africans to come to the US on asylum. I doubt they're not going to be treated like your regular asylum seekers if they come.

I read he did not say white South Africans but white Afrikaners specifically.

Weird how people can be so against refugees but make exceptions for specific classes….

Serpentstooth · 16/02/2025 12:07

Yup. Always room for a few more Nasties.

user9876543211 · 16/02/2025 12:25

If this was a family living in poverty, I suspect social services and the courts would be involved. What kind of life can this possibly be for a 4 year old?

theteachesofleeches · 16/02/2025 12:28

He has a paraphilia - a Breeder fetish. He is disgusting.

JHound · 16/02/2025 12:43

sparrowhae · 15/02/2025 23:35

How can declining birth rate not be a threat to civilisation? I say this as someone with no kids myself. I agree with him on that statement. That isn't weird.

Because we have 8bn humans and limited resources. Babies are still being born. Humanity is not going anywhere.

Musk is just worried about white birth rates but not even white people will be vanishing anytime soon.

Lyannaa · 16/02/2025 13:32

JHound · 16/02/2025 11:50

Hasn’t another new baby mother popped up for him this week. It seems he has yet to claim (or deny) this one.

The party of “family values” being anything but.

Yes. It's always one rule for them and another for us. The Conservative Party in this country are the same with their married tax break idea.

Who else do we know who cannot keep it in his pants and has multiple children with multiple women, some during relationships and others from one night things? Boris Johnson. Another sociopath.

Lyannaa · 16/02/2025 13:35

theteachesofleeches · 16/02/2025 12:28

He has a paraphilia - a Breeder fetish. He is disgusting.

Which is why he's a fascist. It smacks of Nazi Aryanism.

imfae · 16/02/2025 14:53

I think these choices by EM are worrying , but are similar to other choices he has made that don't align with what a lot of people in the UK would agree with .
The worrying thing is that he has influence within the Us Govt and with the president .

By these choices, EM is perhaps seeking to ensure that his family can potentially exert power and control for generations to come . That is not to say that all or even any of his offspring won't rebel : seek alternative vocations when they are grown . I suppose however the more children he has , the greater the chance that at least one / several will continue with his " legacy ".

He also has influence here through various politicians ( although even Farage has stepped back slightly) . Most importantly through X he has the ability to reach 100s of millions daily . Fact checking and truth aren't always a top priority . ...

I checked and he is listed as a special US govt employee , I suppose similar to a consultant BUT he does already seem to be exercising a lot of autonomy with little checks and balances in place .

In the UK , we rely on a separation of powers between the Executive ( Govt ) , Legislature ( parliament ) and judiciary ( courts ) . If one part is acting beyond their powers, the other step in .

I am no expert in this , but we can see situations where this has protected decision making here and perhaps others where it hasn't worked so well .

When these safety checks were put in place , we did not have social media outlets like X etc and it is very difficult for governments in the west to have any influence or checks over these to correct misleading info / targeting of vulnerable people .

I am not naive enough to think that there weren't issues previously with the media in the past . When the tabloids in particular could influence
millions with their slant on politics / politicians and had a lot of sway in voting during general elections here . These papers were also regularly run by very rich and powerful men .

It has always been the case that those who are rich and powerful will seek to align / influence those in government . Sometimes this can be with good / philanthropic intentions, but not always .

So I do think we should all be worried , but I am not sure what we can do on a day to day basis .

I did take some comfort when Trump was re-elected and brought in EM that as they both have massive egos , they were likely to fall out as both will be unable to be right / on top all of the time . I do accept that the US citizens exercised their democratic rights to put Trump in power . There are also checks and balances in their constitution and we can see that the courts have already tried to ( at least temporarily ) block some of Trumps decisions I won't even go there with his involvement in other conflicts etc .

Again I accept that even in the UK and other western countries, political decisions have always been influenced by external economic factors eg investments in oil .

The question here is the amount of unchecked influence that EM has going forward in the US but also around the world . Arguably he always had this , but not at a government level .

I suppose thinking about it , I am not sure I and others should take comfort from an inevitable fall out between Trump and EM . But what happens if they do - where does EM go ? If he is used to exercising lots of power / influence outwith and within govt , will he be prepared to give this up ? Will he then seek to align / be wooed by other nonwestern & undemocratic / dictator led nations ?

biscuitandcake · 16/02/2025 15:14

sparrowhae · 15/02/2025 23:35

How can declining birth rate not be a threat to civilisation? I say this as someone with no kids myself. I agree with him on that statement. That isn't weird.

The population rate World wide is still rising. Let's say the low birth rate continued and the population started to fall drastically. People wouldn't sit around saying "my grandma had 2 kids, my mother had 1 I should have 0" they would most likely opt to have more kids. It's not a disease that is rendering people infertile (though plastic pollution is an issue it's not what Musk is worried about). This has happened in the past where Frances birth rate plummeted pre WW1. Emile Zola was concerned. It shot back up after WW1 (much more than other countries) and no one knows why really. That's not to say aging populations etc arent a concern in the short term.

But people talking about "population crashes" are using language usually reserved for talking about the dynamics of frogs in ponds or rabbits. The mathematics involved in those chaotic population fluctuations is genuinely fascinating (chaos theory and feigenbaum) - but not applicable to human populations. Some parts of the world's (Japan, South Korea) are experiencing plummeting birth rates but people suggesting that they are merely further along in the process than us are missing the fact that their population decline followed a very different trajectory. Finding out what makes Japan etc "special" could be worthwhile. Fearmongering that this is the future is not.

biscuitandcake · 16/02/2025 15:21

I actually think what drives birth rates up and down is very complicated. We know some things have an impact (education rates etc) but we have nowhere near the full picture. Quite possibly there is a mechanism whereby people are less likely to want lots of kids if they feel crowded, more likely to after a war etc. But every time a leader has tried to affect birth rates through forceful measures - whether that be ceasceau in Romania or the Chinese 1 child policy it's had massive unintended consequences. Programmes to make life easier for regular families are one thing. Men like Musk considering themselves on a mission to fix the problem, or men on the Internet doomposting Jordan Peters on rants and making wild suggestions for "what is to be done" are not going to help.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s%E2%80%931990s_Romanian_orphans_phenomenon

JHound · 16/02/2025 17:42

Lyannaa · 16/02/2025 13:32

Yes. It's always one rule for them and another for us. The Conservative Party in this country are the same with their married tax break idea.

Who else do we know who cannot keep it in his pants and has multiple children with multiple women, some during relationships and others from one night things? Boris Johnson. Another sociopath.

I remember calling out an acquaintance who was always negative about “single mothers” but loved BJ. I pointed out that not only was BJ a hypocrite for previously writing an article critical of single mothers but he also creates single mothers. This bloke refused to accept that and was adamant “it was different”.

CerealPosterHere · 16/02/2025 17:53

So the newest baby mama has just being calling Elon out on X, apparently she’s been trying to get in touch for days and he isn’t responding. Her tweet has been deleted!

Isinglass20 · 16/02/2025 19:15

Elon Musk looking to produce the Aryan superior race 😡