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Behaviour towards our dog..

219 replies

JadeMember · 12/02/2025 16:01

Sorry it’s a long one. This is not about my dog’s behaviour but background for context..
We rescued a puppy before lockdown and after lockdown he was very reactive to any male visitors ( he was fine with children and women) coming to the house. He is now ok with people he knows but barks at any men he doesn’t know. He is a big Labrador and can look scary. He is ok outside, in other people’s houses, hotels etc. We tried everything and at the end his psychologist diagnosed him with anxiety and prescribed Prozac.
My best friend has a boyfriend ( let’s call him Ben ) and they have been seeing each other for about 7months. He didn’t meet her children yet but we met him a few times. I mentioned our dog to Ben and I said once the dog gets to know him outside the house, we will have them over for dinner. He thought it’s ridiculous that he needs to make an effort to meet the dog. I completely understand that but that’s what all of our other friends did and it worked. Ben said this anxious behaviour should be beaten out of him. My friend’s teenage daughter is suffering with anxiety and although I know dogs and humans are not the same, beating is never the answer! Last Sunday, we were planning to go for a dog walk and my friend asked if she and Ben can come along and then we can go to the pub for lunch. On the walk Ben was making mean remarks about our dog for no reason. In the pub, our dog would usually sit under the table by my DP’s feet but it takes him maybe 10min to settle. Normally we ignore him and he is fine. Ben was constantly bothering him, growling in his face and trying to pull him close. We were all telling him to leave the dog alone but he said he is just playing. As I predicted our dog started barking at him and Ben started barking back at him. My DP is holding on to the dog and I’m telling Ben to stop provoking him. The whole pub was looking at us like we are insane. I said to Ben to leave the dog alone because he can bite him. I only said that to stop him barking at the dog like a lunatic. Our dog never bitten anyone but it’s an animal and so it’s unpredictable when provoked. Ben said ( with the smirk on his face )that if he bites him he will need to be put down. After the whole scene my DP and I left. Later I spoke to my friend and she said the reason Ben was like that because he is scared of the dogs as he was once bitten. Would you be provoking a dog if you are scared of it? I know not everyone likes dogs. But those comments make me very wary of him and makes me think he is not as kind as he portrayed himself. Or I am overthinking it? Again this is not about the dog rather about Ben’s behaviour. There is something bothering me and I can’t put my finger on it. And AIBU to tell my friend to rethink the relationship?

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JadeMember · 12/02/2025 21:16

Thank you everyone for your replies.! And thank you for the concern about our dog. To those who commented why we didn’t act faster in the pub.. It all happened really quickly before we even had a chance to order our drinks. Our dog, DP and I will never be around Ben again after that. Ben’s behaviour in the pub was of someone completely different to what we seen. Obviously apart from the ‘beating’ comment. And I think that was the first time I saw his mask slip. In his job, he has has a position of power. I will be seeing my friend tomorrow morning and maybe show her all of your replies? I don’t want to push her away from me but I will judge it by her reaction. If anyone who read my posts about Ben and has experience with people like that, would you say he is narcissistic or a psychopath or I am completely of my mark and he is just an as**le?

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BigCheeseFace · 12/02/2025 21:22

NormasArse · 12/02/2025 18:36

Ben isn’t fine. Ben spoilt the outing by taunting, and growling at a dog, in a pub.

Ben is a prick.

Ben thinks the dog spoilt the pub

Dogs are pricks?

Pancakeorcrepe · 12/02/2025 21:24

This man is a total prick

Fencehedge · 12/02/2025 21:25

I wouldn't tell her you've posted here, she's likely to get defensive. Just say how you and your partner feel, and that you're both worried about her as his behaviour fits this or that profile.

BigCheeseFace · 12/02/2025 21:27

oakleaffy · 12/02/2025 18:36

Ben’s a grade “A” wanker, and absolutely not fine.
Ben is deranged - No sane trainer gets up in a dog’s face barking at it.

Ben’s a Scrote.

I missed that Ben was a dog trainer? That doesn't fit with my thoughts on Ben at all. I feel like I need to re evaluate Ben

YouOKHun · 12/02/2025 21:29

I'd be careful with diagnosing him with a personality disorder (unless you're a psychiatrist @JadeMember!). Stick with citing the behaviour you observed as your reasons why you don't like him because that's evidence she has seen too. If you start calling him a psychopath or a narcissist you might make her defensive and therefore less receptive.

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Cherrysoup · 12/02/2025 21:35

OnlyThickBeans · 12/02/2025 16:03

I do think it’s totally unnecessary that your dog has to acclimatise to (and I say this as someone with labs). Labs typically love attention and visitors so it’s odd that you feel this is a requirement.

Bens behaviour towards your dog sounds odd, so it probably solves your first problem as Im not sure I’d want to invite him based on his behaviour.

Dogs are individuals. The worst dogs I’ve ever met in 25 years of ownership have been labs, most likely to attack, ime, one pinned my dog down last week, one I used to encounter always attacked my dogs. I think it’s extremely naive to stereotype labs.

I have springers, apparently great family dogs, true of mine, but the one I had previously was extremely fear aggressive, would snap at people, not at all a typical springer. He was attacked as a puppy and totally changed. If visitors ignored him, he would ultimately crawl onto their knee if they wanted.

The OP would do well to keep her dog away from idiot ‘Ben’. Barking at a dog?! My neighbour’s kids did that aged 5 and were very politely told to stop. Growling in his face is extremely provocative and he deserved to be barked at. What an idiot! I can’t imagine anyone who’s scared of dogs deliberately getting in his face like that, it’s very stupid.

CharlotteLightandDark · 12/02/2025 21:42

Do you think it’s appropriate to ‘diagnose’ someone with a serious personality disorder based on one brief meeting??

he may be a prick and you’re allowed to dislike him but attempting to convince your friend he’s a psychopath is a bit much.

oh and psychologists don’t prescribe medication to people or dogs - doctors/vets do

Cherrysoup · 12/02/2025 21:46

Cherrysoup · 12/02/2025 21:35

Dogs are individuals. The worst dogs I’ve ever met in 25 years of ownership have been labs, most likely to attack, ime, one pinned my dog down last week, one I used to encounter always attacked my dogs. I think it’s extremely naive to stereotype labs.

I have springers, apparently great family dogs, true of mine, but the one I had previously was extremely fear aggressive, would snap at people, not at all a typical springer. He was attacked as a puppy and totally changed. If visitors ignored him, he would ultimately crawl onto their knee if they wanted.

The OP would do well to keep her dog away from idiot ‘Ben’. Barking at a dog?! My neighbour’s kids did that aged 5 and were very politely told to stop. Growling in his face is extremely provocative and he deserved to be barked at. What an idiot! I can’t imagine anyone who’s scared of dogs deliberately getting in his face like that, it’s very stupid.

Quote to say that probably my unfortunate encounters with labs (in several cases) are because owners think they’re ‘easy’ dogs and haven’t socialised them like the OP is sensibly doing and they think that they’re born as naturally great family dogs. Every dog needs socialising. I’m very lucky to have very resilient happy go lucky dogs who can be bowled over or attacked and they won’t react aggressively. This is despite me trying my ultimate to keep them safe/away from other dogs. I cross the road on lead walks and use the most remote routes off lead.

AcquadiP · 12/02/2025 21:48

Another thought on this. I cannot help but think that Ben was taking advantage of the fact that your dog is a Labrador and the Labrador's image is one of a placid family dog/Andrex puppy. I doubt he would have behaved this way with a German Shepherd dog. And before I get a pile on, I have kept both breeds and both make great family pets. But in my experience, strangers will happily greet a Labrador but will shy away from greeting a GSD. Ironically, Labs are also very protective of their owners and will act aggressively if need be.

JadeMember · 12/02/2025 21:55

YouOKHun · 12/02/2025 21:29

I'd be careful with diagnosing him with a personality disorder (unless you're a psychiatrist @JadeMember!). Stick with citing the behaviour you observed as your reasons why you don't like him because that's evidence she has seen too. If you start calling him a psychopath or a narcissist you might make her defensive and therefore less receptive.

Thank you, yes you are completely right. I didn’t think about that!

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VeryDeepEverything · 12/02/2025 21:59

CharlotteLightandDark · 12/02/2025 21:42

Do you think it’s appropriate to ‘diagnose’ someone with a serious personality disorder based on one brief meeting??

he may be a prick and you’re allowed to dislike him but attempting to convince your friend he’s a psychopath is a bit much.

oh and psychologists don’t prescribe medication to people or dogs - doctors/vets do

Completely agree and same with @YouOKHun.. stick to the facts not speculation or you will push her away.

HotTurtleSoup · 12/02/2025 22:01

JadeMember · 12/02/2025 21:16

Thank you everyone for your replies.! And thank you for the concern about our dog. To those who commented why we didn’t act faster in the pub.. It all happened really quickly before we even had a chance to order our drinks. Our dog, DP and I will never be around Ben again after that. Ben’s behaviour in the pub was of someone completely different to what we seen. Obviously apart from the ‘beating’ comment. And I think that was the first time I saw his mask slip. In his job, he has has a position of power. I will be seeing my friend tomorrow morning and maybe show her all of your replies? I don’t want to push her away from me but I will judge it by her reaction. If anyone who read my posts about Ben and has experience with people like that, would you say he is narcissistic or a psychopath or I am completely of my mark and he is just an as**le?

My professional experience is that ~90% of people who announce someone is narcissistic, are usually narcissistic themselves, so be careful what you throw around.

AcquadiP · 12/02/2025 22:02

JadeMember · 12/02/2025 18:49

Our dog loved my step dad too. He got use to other people but he never got use to my DP’s friend who visited quite a lot but our dog never warmed to him

Always trust your dog. One of my Border Collies lived to be almost 16, he was a very level-headed, confident dog. He was friendly to everyone apart from two men at different times in his entire lifetime who he just didn't like. He positioned himself, standing, between me and them and stared at them intently without moving his gaze once. In both cases, they went away. My GSD, a lovely bitch, took exception to a workman in my house. She did the same thing, she just stared at him until he left. Dogs can spot a wrong 'un at 100 paces!

NiftyKoala · 12/02/2025 23:18

Tread carefully if he is a psychopath wanting to alienate your friend to isolate her this will do the opposite you intend. Keep that connection with her for when it all goes bad with Ben.

SnoopysHoose · 13/02/2025 07:57

@AcquadiP
Always trust your dogs instincts.
A friend of mine told me how when growing up, his grandparents owned a repair garage in a fairly big village, their wee staffy girl
would sit outside and everyone patted her , rock steady wee dog, but one man she would bark at and back away, came out years later he was a paedophile, dogs know better than us.

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 13/02/2025 13:57

I am NOT woo and tend to eye roll at these things but I do think dogs are more finely tuned to sense threat and like other posters I had similar experience.

our dog went WILD every time she saw one neighbour who we didn’t know (quite guy non threatening looking) who lived at the bottom of our road.
my mother told me to always give him a wide berth… years later (our dog had died and I’d moved away) he was later convicted of a very serious / deranged crime which was fairly high profile at the time

tldr I agree he is probably a bad egg

Verv · 13/02/2025 14:02

TheFlis · 12/02/2025 16:07

Ben sounds vile and abusive to animals, I would have nothing more to do with him.

Agree with this.

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