To believe that eating meat should be illegal?

[BySpoonyBlueScroller]

The environmental damage and animal cruelty outweighs the cultural or personal benefits. AIBU to think it’s time to outlaw meat production?

What % of your meat consumption comes from farms like this?

I don't disagree with his underlying point, but I think it's only really relevant to the way meat is farmed and consumed in developed countries. When times are hard people immediately resume hunting small game themselves, fishing, hunting with dogs etc, and it's still a huge part of how most of the developing world feeds itself.

So while I agree with him that the choice to eat farmed meat when you have alternatives is a base form of cruelty, I also contend that eating meat is perfectly natural and normal, and it's self-evident that if you remove the farmed/shop option a great many people just continue to eat self-sourced meat in any case.

There is nothing inherently morally wrong with humans eating meat, the questionable part is humans choosing to eat farmed meat.

No. Human beings evolved as meat eaters, that's why we have the dentition and the digestive systems that we do.

You're allowed to believe what you want.
It'll never happen though.

Was it true or just apocryphal - that Morrissey is a vegetarian who is extremely preachy forthright on his views, whilst Johnny Marr was actually a vegan all along but just got on quietly with his own ethical choices?!

Oh don't be bloody ridiculous!
Have you any idea what would happen to the biodiversity in the world if we suddenly had no need for farm animals? Not to even mention the economic crisis it would cause and the mass unemployment.
There would be an instant health crisis because there would be en enormous demand for vegetables, grains and fruit just so that people could get their nutritional needs and it may not be sustainable.
People in countries that find it very hard to grow these foods and who rely on meat would probably starve.
Have you really thought this through?

People would have to give a toss about something other than themselves. Animals are treated appallingly, in cramped, unhygienic conditions, pumped full of drugs and then slaughtered. Yes we're a nation of animal lovers.

People would have to care about the planet or think beyond their need for an SUV and disposable goods and clothes.

Ultimately people would have to think about others; we buy goods that are cheap because they're made by children and people without human rights.

Get people to give a crap and you might have a chance.

Ha ha ha ha. No. As long as there are people, and animals, this will never, ever happen.

So if meat and fish and evey single animal based relatied byproduct disappeared would it have a knock effect towards insects and other natural effects

Would animals food cycles be affected? Any other affects on medicines, gadgets, furniture etc.

If God didn't want humans to eat cows then why did he make them meat flavoured 🙃🙃🙃🙃

On a serious note, no. No bloody way. Humans are meant to eat meat.

Also, we'd still need to use meat for pet food so how would the line be drawn?

How are you going to harvest these "hardy" crops half-way up the side of a welsh mountain or across the Peak District😂

I agree. Our future selves will look back at the times when their forebears killed living animals and then ripped off their skin, chopped them up and sold them as food as barbaric. The practice will be viewed similarly to how we think of cannibalism or human sacrifice today, ie abhorrent.

I am particularly fond of game.

Yabu

What would all the out of work farmers do?? I live in a rural community where the soil isn't good enough to grow much more than grass on. And i think the environmental impact of all the fields being turned into campsites or for glamping pods would be worse

Many would say the same about the millions of us in the west who happily enjoy very cheap clothes and most consumer goods, even though we know very well that people in poor countries - many of them not even adults - are exploited horribly and paid pennies per hour to make them for us.

Love meat and am keen to support the great beef, dairy, pork, lamb and chicken famers we have in this country. So no I do not think it needs to be made illegal.

Those proclaiming it will never happen. They said the same thing about lots of other things that are now illegal.
Smoking in public indoor spaces. I remember when you could smoke in the cinema, on a plane, in a restaurant. That is now banned.
Slavery! That took a long while to sort, but times changed, and they rightly made that illegal too. I am NOT comparing slavery to animal consumption, but making the point that mindsets DO change over time, and laws change. And I do think, that in time, we WILL look back as a species and wonder how it took us so long to move on from the horrors of meat and dairy consumption.

Yep.

It wasn't that long ago that fur was acceptable as a fashion choice. Now it is looked down upon. It took activists to make that happen.

Something has to die for you to eat

You can chose one cow per year (has all the calories you need for one year)

Or, you can chose to kill millions of bees, rabbits, voles, mice, moles, beetles so you can have enough plant food

That’s a valid argument.

Morrisey though… 🙄

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It will be the same as it is with horses and donkeys, very few kept by the wealthy as pets, taking them for a "walk in a trailer"

Give it 100 years and I suspect it will be, OP.

I forgot butterflies

they’d all have to die to feed us on plants