To believe that eating meat should be illegal?

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The environmental damage and animal cruelty outweighs the cultural or personal benefits. AIBU to think it’s time to outlaw meat production?

It's not necessary for every individual to hunt their own meat, any more than it's necessary or practical for every individual to build their own home, or perform their own surgery. Human beings specialise, that's how we got ahead of other species. And 'nature' is not a sentient being with a mind or intentions.

@HipMax - ok so you have nothing in terms of information to offer to the discussion beyond accusing people of. "making a huge fuss... spreading lies and hysteria." But you can't actually say why or what about.

I do not think meat eating should be 'banned' by the way. That's not practical. However, drawing attention to the ethical issues of industrial farming, not to mention the environmental / climate impact is not 'hysterical.' It is basic fact, whether you eat meat or not. Humanity needs to do much better.

Yes we do need to decide do better. Which is why massively reducing methane from cattle is a good thing, and not a bad one, and people need to be less hysterical about that.

The solution is surely to have less cattle? Even if methane per head of cattle were falling, this is no good ad long as total numbers of cattle are accelerating globally. In recent years, methane emissions are rising, despite the industry's presentation of 'carbon free cows' as a solution.

All this narrative does is frame methane-producing cows as 'the problem'. When the actual problem is the unethical and wholly unsustainable nature of industrial farming itself and the consumer habits that supposedly justify it.

Yes, that's what we have teeth for.

Yes, that's what we have teeth for.

Not the best design on the part of nature if so. You'd be hard pushed to use them to tear into unbutchered uncooked animal flesh.

I’m a meat eater and privileged enough to buy from a local farm shop. Not everyone can for a variety of reasons. I have no issue with anyone raising ethical concerns about certain aspects of farming.

I take major issue with citing environmental and climate change as one of the primary factors behind meat being ‘banned’/bad. It’s yet another example of zooming in on 1 piece of an entire supply chain and determining that 1 thing is better - whilst ignoring everything up and downstream of it - or the alternative implication it would cause.

Anyone doing this completely loses their argument.

eh? So you you don’t believe that “nature” intends you to hunt, but you do believe that “nature” intends you to eat meat?

All industrial agriculture is horrifically damaging. Including plant crops.

Sustainable farming is generally mixed.

So no, making meat illegal is dumb.

I am astonished that this needs explaining, but I'll do my best.

We are omnivores. Obviously, nature intends us to eat meat.

Human society is organised in such a way that hunters provide the meat for those who want to eat it. There is no intent or requirement in nature that you cannot eat the meat that was provided by someone else (butchers, supermarkets and farm shops, for example).

Humans are social, even in the earliest times, there were individuals whose role it was to provide meat for the family/community.

It's absolute bollocks to suggest that nature only intends that hunters should eat meat... 🙄

I know right, they think it's fine for everyone else to do their dirty work for them.

What are you talking about ? “Nature” doesn’t “intend” anything. What does that mean?

(also you keep saying “humans are omnivores” but last I checked I was a human, and I only eat plants, so..)

some people think nature is our basic designed behaviours eg its natural for humans to eg walk, basically they think by saying nature, we are pre programmed for that behaviour

If we ban all meat, these cases may well become commonplace. The reality is that a baby will not thrive on a vegan diet without supplementation. Huge risk

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-49430857.amp

So, all the hilly bits of the UK are going to be terraced, veg and cereal will be grown and everyone will keep their peelings which will be collected and mulched. This will provide fertiliser for the aforementioned veg and cereal crops.

People often have pie-in-the-sky ideas. It is putting it into practice that counts.

There is a big house in the valley (sheep farming as far back as records go) where I live. It comes with a few acres of undulating grazing land. It was bought by a rich chap from the city with big ideas. Now this land is not hilly enough to need to be terraced, it is flat enough for a tractor, so he had the great idea to get the sheep off, plough up the grass and grow cereals. Well harvest time came and so did the rain (perfectly normal for the area) and of course, it was too wet to get the harvest in. The ground was too soft to take the tractor on the field, so there the crop stood until it rotted. The land is now grass with sheep on it again.

The fantasy means nothing.

What utter rubbish. My friend has vegan kids they are as solid and as healthy as can be. Raised vegan from birth.

I'm not sure that's quite the zinging response you think it is.

Why? Sounds pretty fair to me.

Firefly1987 · 11/02/2025 23:58
Go hunt it yourself then like nature intended.

You replied to my reply to the above post. Keep up.

Assuming you were not mistaken when you last checked, you are indeed an omnivore, like all humans. This remains the case regardless of what you choose to eat or not to eat.

Go hunt it yourself then like nature intended.

yes a pp wrote that and then you replied with some nonsense about how we were intended to eat meant but not to hunt it . Which makes no sense

Definition of an omnivore:

1. an animal or person that eats a variety of food of both plant and animal origin.

I don’t. So - again- makes no sense.

Obviously no nutritional content in that lettuce you nibble. Jog on!

I want geese but my DH says they are a pain as they leave slippery slimy poop everywhere. I though I could fence them off and put a paddling pool in.

And I suppose you're a picture of health with a kebab in one hand and a big mac in the other? Red faced stinking of the meat sweats, whining about how you NEED meat to fuel you, or you'll somehow expire during your sedentary afternoon? No? So how about we leave the nasty stereotypes out for all of us.

I’ve had geese, they do indeed leave enormous poos. They are great lawnmowers though and really keep the grass down( the reason for massive poos ) I often think when keeping birds the key is actually more space rather than less. I keep chickens now but because they’ve got the run of the place they have little impact on the garden whereas when they are cooped up they destroy all the plants.