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Angela from Housing

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billysboy · 09/02/2025 12:18

Ainu to think Angela Rayners has been set up to fail on her 1.5m homes target ?
you can barely get planning permission through for a small extension in under 10 weeks let alone 1.5 m new homes
Every month that goes by the shortage compounds
I wonder if Kier has set her up to fail

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godmum56 · 09/02/2025 13:07

Why is being "from housing" considered a slur?

twistyizzy · 09/02/2025 13:07

soupyspoon · 09/02/2025 13:05

They dont dictate it but they are instrumental in making sure workers rights and conditions are forefront of policy, pay etc

Im not sure that is zero difference to people who essentially are only interested in increasing profit to no advantage to the general population

Ah right like 1 of Labour's biggest donors ie a private healthcare company owner? That's why Labour are using private healthcare to support NHS. Bunging a few million £ to their mates.

Of course unions dictate policy eg massive pay rise given to train drivers as 1 of first acts of being elected? Yet WASPI women get nothing?

Upstartled · 09/02/2025 13:07

There's absolutely no way that they'll build 1.5 million houses over the term. It's not achievable and everybody knows it. That's quite apart from the fact that adjusting for the amount of immigration over that time that even if you could magic up these houses then you'd still have the same current level of demand for homes that we have today.

Of course, by then, the number of landlords who will have jumped ship due the the tax changes and EPC demands - then rent charges will be eyewatering.

lifeonmars100 · 09/02/2025 13:07

TinklySnail · 09/02/2025 12:50

All these posters more concerned about OP calling her Angela from housing yet don’t think twice about calling Trump et al names.

Personally I don't call any of them names, I tend to only use their last names and hope that it is clear who I am talking about. Don't really like nicknames jokey or otherwise as what they do is so serous. Enjoy a bit of satire but what we are seeing here and especially in the US is beyond satire.

Movinghouseatlast · 09/02/2025 13:08

You need to have a little think about your internalised misogyny..

cardibach · 09/02/2025 13:08

twistyizzy · 09/02/2025 13:03

They dictate government policy. Which is zero difference to outside donors dictating government policy. It means policy is made purely to appease the outside interests instead of what's best for the country. It is yet another instance of Party over Country.

Unions don't dictate policy. Many aren’t even affiliated any more.
But if they did, it would be different from private donors because unions represent the ordinary workers of the country. Making policy to help them actually would be in the interests of the country, not a few rich people.

soupyspoon · 09/02/2025 13:09

twistyizzy · 09/02/2025 13:07

Ah right like 1 of Labour's biggest donors ie a private healthcare company owner? That's why Labour are using private healthcare to support NHS. Bunging a few million £ to their mates.

Of course unions dictate policy eg massive pay rise given to train drivers as 1 of first acts of being elected? Yet WASPI women get nothing?

I dont say its perfect and no I dont agree with private health care operating at profit within the NHS

I dont oppose unions per se.

And no they dont dictate policy, governments can pick and choose what policies they enact or vote for.

Im not sure I agree with WASPI women getting something but thats not the whole of my position, this is not the thread for it anyway.

twistyizzy · 09/02/2025 13:09

cardibach · 09/02/2025 13:08

Unions don't dictate policy. Many aren’t even affiliated any more.
But if they did, it would be different from private donors because unions represent the ordinary workers of the country. Making policy to help them actually would be in the interests of the country, not a few rich people.

I go back to my previous comment:
Ah right like 1 of Labour's biggest donors ie a private healthcare company owner? That's why Labour are using private healthcare to support NHS. Bunging a few million £ to their mates.

Of course unions dictate policy eg massive pay rise given to train drivers as 1 of first acts of being elected? Yet WASPI women get nothing?

ZebedeeDougalFlorence · 09/02/2025 13:10

JimHalpertsWife · 09/02/2025 12:20

Also, she isn't "Angela from Housing" - she's the deputy PM and calling her that nickname is quite misogynistic.

Thank you!

Movinghouseatlast · 09/02/2025 13:10

godmum56 · 09/02/2025 13:07

Why is being "from housing" considered a slur?

Because it's diminishing her role and achievements. Because it's only women who are referred to in this way, so it's misogyny.

KimberleyClark · 09/02/2025 13:11

That's why Labour are using private healthcare to support NHS. Bunging a few million £ to their mates.

which the Tories would never dream of doing of course.

cardibach · 09/02/2025 13:11

soupyspoon · 09/02/2025 13:09

I dont say its perfect and no I dont agree with private health care operating at profit within the NHS

I dont oppose unions per se.

And no they dont dictate policy, governments can pick and choose what policies they enact or vote for.

Im not sure I agree with WASPI women getting something but thats not the whole of my position, this is not the thread for it anyway.

Train drivers union is one of the ones who don’t donate to the Labour Party, so, no they aren’t paying to dictate policy. Settling the dispute was cheaper for the country than allowing it to rumble on.

Jossjt · 09/02/2025 13:11

Look up Labour and their ‘green donors’.

The whole thing is a cesspit. Massive corruption. Billions are being borrowed in our name to be pissed up the wall to make their donors happy.

soupyspoon · 09/02/2025 13:11

Movinghouseatlast · 09/02/2025 13:10

Because it's diminishing her role and achievements. Because it's only women who are referred to in this way, so it's misogyny.

It really isnt only women who are referred this way, you must be living under a rock or something. Ive been following politics for over 40 years, believe me, this is standard discourse.

Doloresparton · 09/02/2025 13:12

Well with the new EPC ratings being imposed on LL's by 2030 they'll need to build new homes because there will be very little to rent privately.
Getting a C rating on an old property will , in many cases, be very difficult, expensive and quite possibly damaging to the building.

HellsBalls · 09/02/2025 13:12

@mitogoshigg ”Finally scrapping stamp duty for people over 60 downsizing by at least 2 bedrooms to properties of 2 or fewer bedrooms worth under £500k to incentivise downsizing freeing up large properties. I haven't thought through this obvious, I'm not a politician or housing expert but I see through work so many couples and single older people in houses of 4 or 5 bedrooms they are struggling to maintain yet they won't move because of the cost of moving.”

No, it should be change stamp duty for everyone or no one. Why should people who have massive untaxed gains be exempted? Sends a bad signal to tax payers struggling to pay their way.
I’d prefer replacing Stamp Duty with a capital gains tax (for a one off tax) or better a monthly land value tax. If you own a £100k house you pay substantially less than someone in a £1m house.

soupyspoon · 09/02/2025 13:12

cardibach · 09/02/2025 13:11

Train drivers union is one of the ones who don’t donate to the Labour Party, so, no they aren’t paying to dictate policy. Settling the dispute was cheaper for the country than allowing it to rumble on.

I think you quoted me by mistake

cardibach · 09/02/2025 13:12

Jossjt · 09/02/2025 13:11

Look up Labour and their ‘green donors’.

The whole thing is a cesspit. Massive corruption. Billions are being borrowed in our name to be pissed up the wall to make their donors happy.

Edited

Got a link? I mean, presumably you’ve looked it up?
That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, after all.

ruffler45 · 09/02/2025 13:12

There is an old adage, time or cost or quality , you cant have all 3, as time is of the essence (none have been built to date and the clock is ticking) cost and quality will probably suffer and someone else will end up paying for it in the future. long after this government has gone.

Jossjt · 09/02/2025 13:13

KimberleyClark · 09/02/2025 13:11

That's why Labour are using private healthcare to support NHS. Bunging a few million £ to their mates.

which the Tories would never dream of doing of course.

Hang on, You mean to tell us Tories didn’t get booted out at the last election. No way. I thought they had.
How the hell did we miss that it’s the Tories in charge now.

adorablecat · 09/02/2025 13:13

Parsley1234 · 09/02/2025 12:41

She’s on her way out she’s deliberately been kept out of the public eye as she’s a train wreck. Rayner was put in the front bench to appease the unions she’s uneducated and chippy. Rachel from accounts Bridget from the block Two Tier Keir millipede they’re all dreadful human beings hell bent on ruining this country

At least they know how to use punctuation.

twistyizzy · 09/02/2025 13:13

soupyspoon · 09/02/2025 13:09

I dont say its perfect and no I dont agree with private health care operating at profit within the NHS

I dont oppose unions per se.

And no they dont dictate policy, governments can pick and choose what policies they enact or vote for.

Im not sure I agree with WASPI women getting something but thats not the whole of my position, this is not the thread for it anyway.

From the delegates eligible to vote at Labour conference where policy is decided, the delegates come from three places: local Labour parties, trade unions and socialist societies.The local parties and trade unions (along with other affiliated socialist societies) each make up 50% of the vote on the conference floor.

So yes they can dictate policy.

cardibach · 09/02/2025 13:14

soupyspoon · 09/02/2025 13:12

I think you quoted me by mistake

Oops. I did. Sorry.
I meant @twistyizzy and her ‘example’ of an unaffiliated train drivers union getting their strike settled immediately.

Feckedupbundle · 09/02/2025 13:14

edwinbear · 09/02/2025 12:28

It was never going to happen. I work very closely with social housing providers, they are very keen to build more homes but they simply don’t have the funds to build that many. There has been no increase in grant funding, all their cash is going on remediation works to their existing stock - cladding, damp and ESG targets. They’ve also been absolutely floored by increases to NI and NMW. Most of them have reduced their development plans. There are also simply not enough construction workers.

You are bang on correct. In addition to that,costs of construction materials have rocketed,even if you can get the materials in the first place. Apparently there is a shortage of bricks now too.
Not so long ago,you couldn't get mill waste or other types of aggregates,as HS2 was taking them all. They will NEVER build the numbers of houses being touted.

Chenecinquantecinq · 09/02/2025 13:15

Yes it's a ridiculously unrealistic target. Absolutely won't happen in any way shape or form. Should just be honest and say we are attempting to take a step in the right direction but this will be a long arduous process for example we don't have nearly enough staff in local planning offices to even attempt to deal with things.

Honesty isn't part of politics though too dull!!!!!

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