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For stopping a man taking his daughter in swimming pool changing room?

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Anotsolittlemermaid · 06/02/2025 23:58

I am a regular user but changed name for this as I’ve spoken to a few people about it so it could be outing. I apologise it’s quite a long post but couldn’t cut it much shorter as context is needed.

I have a monthly subscription to a gym with a swimming pool that’s part of a hotel, on a Wednesday there is women’s aqua aerobics from 7-8 then adult only time from 8pm till 10pm.

Yesterday evening I got to the pool at about 8.15 after aqua aerobics and there was a man who was just arriving at the pool with his young daughter who was about 4/5.

He was being quite annoying letting her disrupt people by jumping in where people were swimming, getting in the path of other swimmers, throwing floats used for aqua across the pool and he was picking her up and throwing her.
The little girl was shrieking and screaming and a few people gave annoyed looks over at him but he carried on getting in everyone’s way.

In the end after about 20 minutes a member of staff came over and asked the man to leave the pool as children’s hours had finished, he argued a bit saying he was trying to tire his daughter out so she would sleep but the staff member was firm and said there had been two sessions of children’s hours for 2 hours at a time earlier in the day that he had been welcome to use but people who wanted to swim properly deliberately avoided them and came later.

The women’s changing room was still busy after aqua and it was mostly women swimming in the pool who had stayed after aqua to continue swimming. The changing rooms are right next to the pool so you can hear when people are in them. The men’s seemed empty but the man and his daughter were also hotel guests so he could have wrapped a towel around her and gone back to the room. He had towels and a hotel robe for himself with him.

When he got out of the pool he put the robe on but took his daughter by the hand and walked towards the women’s changing room obviously intending to go in.

The changing room is open plan with only one cubicle, it had 8 showers, 4 are in cubicles but the other 4 are open, when I had undressed before swimming the changing room had been busy with lots of women using the showers and changing after aqua, there were obviously a few women still in there as I could hear chatting and the hairdryer going.

I had been swimming lengths at the edge of the pool opposite the changing room entrance so when I saw him heading to the women’s I called out to him “sorry but that’s the ladies and it’s busy, you can take your daughter to the men’s I’m sure it’s empty or can you not just put your towel around her and go to your room?”

The man glared at me and said he wasn’t taking his daughter into a room where men might be undressing and he had taken her into changing rooms before where no one had ever had a problem.

I said it was more likely they did have a problem but didn’t feel comfortable saying so, I was getting angry at this point so I said I’d go and get the member of staff to see what he said.

The man obviously knew the staff member wasn’t going to approve this and started ranting about how awful it was that first his daughter had been asked to leave the pool and now he couldn’t even get her dry and dressed again because of busy bodies sticking their oar in. Another women who was swimming and had overheard backed me up that it was completely inappropriate and no one over 8 is allowed in the opposite sex changing room. The man wasn’t happy but wrapped his daughter in the towel and took her his hotel room as I’d suggested. As he was wearing the robe I have no idea if he had planned to use the women’s changing room to shower and get changed himself or not.

I hate confrontation but the other women thanked me for saying something, I spoke to the staff member when I’d finished my swim and he agreed that the man should have used the men’s changing room where there was a free cubicle. He said he’d been cheeky enough bringing his daughter during adult hours when he’d been told earlier he wouldn’t be allowed when he’d asked about it.

I assumed most people would agree with me but my friend said I was completely out of order, she said the little girl was the one who was important and it was much safer and more appropriate for her to get changed in the ladies, she said most mums would be understanding about a father bringing his daughter in and could have got changed under a towel, when I mentioned he had also been in the pool and was possibly planning on getting undressed himself she said “well no one has to look if they don’t want to”
I didn’t want to keep discussing it with her as we had argued before years ago about her bringing her 11 year old son and nephews into ladies changing rooms and I realised she was the wrong person to mention it to.

I also mentioned it to DP and he said that I was right to stop the man going in the ladies but he equally feels uncomfortable when men bring their daughters in, he also swims and said the previous week a little girl had been running naked round the changing room whilst her dad was looking at his phone and he would never allow his daughter to do that as you just don’t know what other men are thinking.

There are no family changing rooms as it’s not really a kids pool with it being attached to a gym and it’s mainly set up for members comfort. The majority of people who bring kids are hotel guests who have rooms.

I don’t feel IABU really but after hearing my friend and DP’s opinion I just wondered what others thought about it. Was I wrong to suggest the man takes his daughter into the men’s changing room? On this occasion a cubicle was free but if it hadn’t been then do some people really think that women should be expected to get showered and undressed in front of a man when he could take her into the mens changing room?
I’m just interested in others thoughts.

There is also a disabled changing room but only one and in my opinion it’s wrong to take that over if you don’t have a disability.

OP posts:
OchonAgusOchonOh · 07/02/2025 15:35

Zebedee999 · 07/02/2025 15:18

The daughter is likely to see many naked men in the mens changing rooms, whereas there are never naked women in the womens as they have cubicles. So better for them to go in the womens.

Where did you get that idea out of? Th op said: "The changing room is open plan with only one cubicle, it had 8 showers, 4 are in cubicles but the other 4 are open, when I had undressed before swimming the changing room had been busy with lots of women using the showers and changing after aqua, there were obviously a few women still in there as I could hear chatting and the hairdryer going."

Even if there were cubicles to get changed in and all the showers were in cubicles, you could still have naked women walking from the shower to the cubicle.

And no, it is never better for a man to go in the women's. The women's is for women and girls. It also usually allows boys under a certain age.

Cornflakes123 · 07/02/2025 15:38

ruethewhirl · 07/02/2025 15:27

You've completely misinterpreted why I mentioned the staring. Obviously there's nothing threatening about it. But that doesn't make it pleasant.

i don’t understand what you mean sorry. Do you think a 4 year boy staring is less pleasant than a 4 year old girl staring ?I think you have missed my point also.

ChampagneLassie · 07/02/2025 15:40

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 00:17

My DD used to go swimming with her dad and because he’s not a cunt he used the men’s changing rooms, and also used his brain to make sure she was safe.

If men are such a problem little girls with their dads can’t be around them then why should women tolerate men in a woman’s space?

You took the words out of my mouth

snowmichael · 07/02/2025 15:42

A) sounds like excellent staff
B) YANBU
C) good that someone supported you

KrankyKumquat · 07/02/2025 15:47

We have a similar issue at a campsite we use a lot. Shower block (3 showers and 3 toilets in cubicles, separate for male and female, always busy so lots of drying off and dressing in an open area). Basic bottom line is male adults use the mens, female adults use the ladies. Where their children go is their issue to manage, it's not down to the women to be ok with men using the female facilities, just because they have a small girl with them - it's not a game of Top Trumps. If a man has a small daughter, he has to take responsibility for looking after her in the men's, similarly if a woman has an 8 or 9 year old boy with her, she has to take responsibility for her boy behaving appropriately in the ladies.

Having said that, very often us women will look after an unaccompanied girl on behalf of the dad if he asks. This dad was just being a dick.

coolkatt · 07/02/2025 15:53

blackandwhitefur · 07/02/2025 00:05

Where is he supposed to get his daughter changed then?

Nowhere, the obnoxious twat shouldn't have been there in the first place.

I'm stunned that so many people would be happy being in a changing room with a grown ass man using his child as an excuse to be there. He takes them into the men's, shields her with his body, towels and location so no one sees his
Child and she sees no one too. Or do doesn't go swimming in a pool with m and f rooms. I'd love to see all you saying there's nothing r wrong with a
Man being in a changing room when ur teenagers daughters are in it. Hypocrites.

EndlessTreadmill · 07/02/2025 15:56

MumChp · 07/02/2025 00:06

You bring the child under 8 years to your own sex changing room or in this case your hotel room.

This. Personally, I would have used the disabled changing room 100% without a second thought. It's only 5 minutes, and as far as I am concerned it's for disabled + trans people + this type of scenario.

Marsh212 · 07/02/2025 15:58

You can't have an adult male getting changed in the female changing rooms . If he brought his daughter he should take her into the mens changing rooms and use a cubicle. I agree with you Op completely innapropriate.

Marsh212 · 07/02/2025 16:00

Rainbowqueeen · 07/02/2025 00:43

Great point @BottomWibblyWob I myself have never seen women taking their young boys into the mens.

I would also have spoken up. The sensible thing for him to do would have been to go to the men's changing room first. Then if he was not comfortable with changing her in there, he could have either done it poolside in a discreet corner (lots of parents do this) or taken her back upstairs.

The women's change room is for women and their young children who need assistance. the men's change room is for men and their young children who need assistance. Swimming is a choice. If you don't like the changing options then you don't have to do it.

Spot on

latetothefisting · 07/02/2025 16:00

Zebedee999 · 07/02/2025 15:18

The daughter is likely to see many naked men in the mens changing rooms, whereas there are never naked women in the womens as they have cubicles. So better for them to go in the womens.

have you been to every single pool in the country, and every men and women's changing room to be able to so confidently declare
a - every women's changing room has cubicles
b - women use them
c - every men's changing room doesn't have cubicles
d - even if they did men don't use them

or are you basing this comment on absolutely no evidence at all?

If you'd actually bothered to read the OP properly she does specify that this was one of the (apparently non existent according to you) pools that doesn't have multiple cubicles and is open plan

some people literally are completely incapable of envisioning anything outside of their own narrow experience, aren't they? 'My pool has cubicles therefore every other pool in the world must have them too....'

Icanttakethisanymore · 07/02/2025 16:05

Surely no reasonable adult male would walk into a female changing room where people are getting changes in communal areas?

OverpricedCupcake · 07/02/2025 16:07

Icanttakethisanymore · 07/02/2025 16:05

Surely no reasonable adult male would walk into a female changing room where people are getting changes in communal areas?

Correct, no reasonable adult male would...

OverpricedCupcake · 07/02/2025 16:09

EndlessTreadmill · 07/02/2025 15:56

This. Personally, I would have used the disabled changing room 100% without a second thought. It's only 5 minutes, and as far as I am concerned it's for disabled + trans people + this type of scenario.

Trans people, like everyone else have a sex, there are two, disabled toilets are for disabled people.

Samcro · 07/02/2025 16:18

Marsh212 · 07/02/2025 15:58

You can't have an adult male getting changed in the female changing rooms . If he brought his daughter he should take her into the mens changing rooms and use a cubicle. I agree with you Op completely innapropriate.

not unless they have a disability.

StarlightLady · 07/02/2025 16:22

latetothefisting · 07/02/2025 16:00

have you been to every single pool in the country, and every men and women's changing room to be able to so confidently declare
a - every women's changing room has cubicles
b - women use them
c - every men's changing room doesn't have cubicles
d - even if they did men don't use them

or are you basing this comment on absolutely no evidence at all?

If you'd actually bothered to read the OP properly she does specify that this was one of the (apparently non existent according to you) pools that doesn't have multiple cubicles and is open plan

some people literally are completely incapable of envisioning anything outside of their own narrow experience, aren't they? 'My pool has cubicles therefore every other pool in the world must have them too....'

This! My pool (part of an hotel complex) does not have cubicles.

NovemberMorn · 07/02/2025 16:26

CactusSammy · 07/02/2025 14:20

When I was a little kid in the 80s, my dad used to take me swimming, and get me changed in the men's changing room.

I remember a bloke once saying 'she's a girl, she's not supposed to be in here', and my dad replied that what is he supposed to do then, as I can't go in the ladies on my own. The bloke didn't have an answer.

It wasn't the best experience I've ever had, and I wouldn't want my girls to be subjected to that, but I'm not emotionally scarred, and my dad wouldn't have dreamed of trying to go in the ladies changing room.

Sounds like the bloke was being a dick, and deliberately difficult. He had a room at the hotel, absolutely no need at all to try to go in the ladies changing rooms with his daughter.

The exact same thing happened to me. My dad took me with him in the male changing rooms after playing rugby.
I was under 5, but I still remember seeing all these huge men with pink rubber jock straps on.
It didn't damage me, but oddly I still remember it vividly decades on.🤔

It certainly isn't ideal, but a 100% better than the dad invading the female only changing room.

User37482 · 07/02/2025 16:28

DH takes DD swimming on holiday, he always just brought her back to the room. He doesn’t wamt to take her into the mens and he certainly doesn’t want to make men uncomfortable

Motherhubbardscupboard · 07/02/2025 16:30

I can't believe anyone thinks its ok for a man to use the women's changing rooms! The girl should have gone in the men's with him, or if he didn't want to, tough luck they can't swim. When my son was 7 we had to stop swimming at my gym because he was no longer allowed in the women's changing rooms with me and I wasn't happy for him to go in the men's on his own. I didn't argue, that was just the rule and of course I abided by it. We can't always do what we want.

TenaciousOne · 07/02/2025 16:34

Ddakji · 07/02/2025 08:48

Because it’s a hotel. Realistically, families using the pool are guests and so they can change in their room.

Yes in this instance but there may be swimming pool users that aren’t hotel guests. In my case however, I was talking about a normal leisure centre pool which had/has only single sex changing rooms.

InveterateWineDrinker · 07/02/2025 16:52

NovemberMorn · 07/02/2025 16:26

The exact same thing happened to me. My dad took me with him in the male changing rooms after playing rugby.
I was under 5, but I still remember seeing all these huge men with pink rubber jock straps on.
It didn't damage me, but oddly I still remember it vividly decades on.🤔

It certainly isn't ideal, but a 100% better than the dad invading the female only changing room.

I've played a lot of rugby, in UK, Europe, and Africa. Unless it was a gay team that was one fucking odd rugby team if they were all wearing pink rubber jockstraps!

It wasn't until the internet was invented that I realised they came in anything other than off-white cotton.

NovemberMorn · 07/02/2025 16:58

InveterateWineDrinker · 07/02/2025 16:52

I've played a lot of rugby, in UK, Europe, and Africa. Unless it was a gay team that was one fucking odd rugby team if they were all wearing pink rubber jockstraps!

It wasn't until the internet was invented that I realised they came in anything other than off-white cotton.

Pink rubber is how I saw them, but then, I was very young.
It was a police rugby team, if there were any gay men playing, I doubt they had come out , it was a long time ago.

Picklelily99 · 07/02/2025 17:00

This is in a hotel - no one sold him any ticket, and he was told his daughter would not be allowed to use the adults only session, but chose to ignore that.

Tapofthemorning · 07/02/2025 17:01

EndlessTreadmill · 07/02/2025 15:56

This. Personally, I would have used the disabled changing room 100% without a second thought. It's only 5 minutes, and as far as I am concerned it's for disabled + trans people + this type of scenario.

"It's for disabled and trans people."

No, it's not. It's for disabled people and the fact you'd use it "without a second thought" shows the appalling ableism that runs rife within our society.

I hope your children grow up to be more empathetic and less narrow-minded than you.

And honestly, if I was in that pool, I would have complained "there's an able-bodied woman in the disabled changing rooms, can she please be removed."

Tapofthemorning · 07/02/2025 17:04

OverpricedCupcake · 07/02/2025 16:09

Trans people, like everyone else have a sex, there are two, disabled toilets are for disabled people.

Agreed, irrespective of your viewpoint on the trans issue this remains. A disabled space is just that. It's not a free for all.

ProfessionalPirate · 07/02/2025 17:05

rainingsnoring · 07/02/2025 15:03

I got that. I was referring to your response to the other poster, the point that you have missed. I don't agree with your opinion but, in any case, in the scenario we are actually discussing, the dad had the option to take his daughter to their own private room to change so his behaviour in trying to barge into a female changing room was even more inappropriate.

Well, you are of course entitled to disagree with my opinion that children’s privacy and safety should be protected as well as adults.

I still don’t understand what point I am missing can you explain?

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