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For stopping a man taking his daughter in swimming pool changing room?

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Anotsolittlemermaid · 06/02/2025 23:58

I am a regular user but changed name for this as I’ve spoken to a few people about it so it could be outing. I apologise it’s quite a long post but couldn’t cut it much shorter as context is needed.

I have a monthly subscription to a gym with a swimming pool that’s part of a hotel, on a Wednesday there is women’s aqua aerobics from 7-8 then adult only time from 8pm till 10pm.

Yesterday evening I got to the pool at about 8.15 after aqua aerobics and there was a man who was just arriving at the pool with his young daughter who was about 4/5.

He was being quite annoying letting her disrupt people by jumping in where people were swimming, getting in the path of other swimmers, throwing floats used for aqua across the pool and he was picking her up and throwing her.
The little girl was shrieking and screaming and a few people gave annoyed looks over at him but he carried on getting in everyone’s way.

In the end after about 20 minutes a member of staff came over and asked the man to leave the pool as children’s hours had finished, he argued a bit saying he was trying to tire his daughter out so she would sleep but the staff member was firm and said there had been two sessions of children’s hours for 2 hours at a time earlier in the day that he had been welcome to use but people who wanted to swim properly deliberately avoided them and came later.

The women’s changing room was still busy after aqua and it was mostly women swimming in the pool who had stayed after aqua to continue swimming. The changing rooms are right next to the pool so you can hear when people are in them. The men’s seemed empty but the man and his daughter were also hotel guests so he could have wrapped a towel around her and gone back to the room. He had towels and a hotel robe for himself with him.

When he got out of the pool he put the robe on but took his daughter by the hand and walked towards the women’s changing room obviously intending to go in.

The changing room is open plan with only one cubicle, it had 8 showers, 4 are in cubicles but the other 4 are open, when I had undressed before swimming the changing room had been busy with lots of women using the showers and changing after aqua, there were obviously a few women still in there as I could hear chatting and the hairdryer going.

I had been swimming lengths at the edge of the pool opposite the changing room entrance so when I saw him heading to the women’s I called out to him “sorry but that’s the ladies and it’s busy, you can take your daughter to the men’s I’m sure it’s empty or can you not just put your towel around her and go to your room?”

The man glared at me and said he wasn’t taking his daughter into a room where men might be undressing and he had taken her into changing rooms before where no one had ever had a problem.

I said it was more likely they did have a problem but didn’t feel comfortable saying so, I was getting angry at this point so I said I’d go and get the member of staff to see what he said.

The man obviously knew the staff member wasn’t going to approve this and started ranting about how awful it was that first his daughter had been asked to leave the pool and now he couldn’t even get her dry and dressed again because of busy bodies sticking their oar in. Another women who was swimming and had overheard backed me up that it was completely inappropriate and no one over 8 is allowed in the opposite sex changing room. The man wasn’t happy but wrapped his daughter in the towel and took her his hotel room as I’d suggested. As he was wearing the robe I have no idea if he had planned to use the women’s changing room to shower and get changed himself or not.

I hate confrontation but the other women thanked me for saying something, I spoke to the staff member when I’d finished my swim and he agreed that the man should have used the men’s changing room where there was a free cubicle. He said he’d been cheeky enough bringing his daughter during adult hours when he’d been told earlier he wouldn’t be allowed when he’d asked about it.

I assumed most people would agree with me but my friend said I was completely out of order, she said the little girl was the one who was important and it was much safer and more appropriate for her to get changed in the ladies, she said most mums would be understanding about a father bringing his daughter in and could have got changed under a towel, when I mentioned he had also been in the pool and was possibly planning on getting undressed himself she said “well no one has to look if they don’t want to”
I didn’t want to keep discussing it with her as we had argued before years ago about her bringing her 11 year old son and nephews into ladies changing rooms and I realised she was the wrong person to mention it to.

I also mentioned it to DP and he said that I was right to stop the man going in the ladies but he equally feels uncomfortable when men bring their daughters in, he also swims and said the previous week a little girl had been running naked round the changing room whilst her dad was looking at his phone and he would never allow his daughter to do that as you just don’t know what other men are thinking.

There are no family changing rooms as it’s not really a kids pool with it being attached to a gym and it’s mainly set up for members comfort. The majority of people who bring kids are hotel guests who have rooms.

I don’t feel IABU really but after hearing my friend and DP’s opinion I just wondered what others thought about it. Was I wrong to suggest the man takes his daughter into the men’s changing room? On this occasion a cubicle was free but if it hadn’t been then do some people really think that women should be expected to get showered and undressed in front of a man when he could take her into the mens changing room?
I’m just interested in others thoughts.

There is also a disabled changing room but only one and in my opinion it’s wrong to take that over if you don’t have a disability.

OP posts:
zaxxon · 07/02/2025 12:32

ruethewhirl · 07/02/2025 12:29

Some of these replies are batshit. Surely it's obvious that a child of either sex should not have to see a stranger of either sex naked?? 🤔

No, it's not obvious.

What is so unbelievably awful about catching sight of an adult changing into their swimming costume?

wisbech · 07/02/2025 12:32

I like the Japanese approach for public baths/ hot springs (where everyone is naked) Until puberty - you go into the sex of bath of the parent that brought you. Same should apply to changing rooms

Took some getting used to mind - (I am male)- having small Japanese children staring at you, not because you are a naked man, but because they hadn't seen a gaijin at a bath.

ProfessionalPirate · 07/02/2025 12:33

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 12:04

Well it IS acceptable for a father to take his little girl into the men’s because thats where he changes. Thats the rules for toilets and changing rooms

As a woman, no of course I wouldn’t take a young boy into the men’s changing room. It would be inappropriate for me to be there. I don’t think a little boy in the women’s changing room is quite as much of a safeguarding issue as a little girl in the men’s

Right let’s break this down slowly:
You see men as a safeguarding issues around naked little girls.

EXCELT when that is a man coming into the women’s changing rooms where there will be naked women and little girls. Is he magically not a safeguarding issue then because he has a child with him?

Are you having difficulty in reading my posts or something? How many times do I have to say it - I DO NOT AGREE WITH A MAN ENTERING A WOMEN’S CHANGING ROOM.

As for little girls in the men’s- just because you declare something acceptable, does not make it a universal fact.

Cornflakes123 · 07/02/2025 12:34

ruethewhirl · 07/02/2025 12:29

Some of these replies are batshit. Surely it's obvious that a child of either sex should not have to see a stranger of either sex naked?? 🤔

What’s so batshit about it? That’s the nature of a changing room. You may catch a glimpse of a naked person. If a person is going around deliberately parading themselves the parent is with them to protect them. What’s so awful about a naked body anyway ? Jeeez sometimes I wonder.

ProfessionalPirate · 07/02/2025 12:35

SinkToTheBottomWithYou · 07/02/2025 12:30

But neither should it be expected that the little girl be taken into the men’s It is expected though. If a man is with a child that can’t get changed on their own, it is expected that they will go in the men’s changing room.

Expected by who? Not me. If my DH wanted to take my daughter swimming and this was the only option for changing, I’d be suggesting he either found a more suitable pool or didn’t go.

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 12:35

ProfessionalPirate · 07/02/2025 12:33

Are you having difficulty in reading my posts or something? How many times do I have to say it - I DO NOT AGREE WITH A MAN ENTERING A WOMEN’S CHANGING ROOM.

As for little girls in the men’s- just because you declare something acceptable, does not make it a universal fact.

Not difficulty at all I just don’t get how you don’t understand why it’s ok for a little girl to be with her dad in a male changing room. Plenty of little girls have done it and have been done.

And yes it is acceptable because she isn’t going in alone to change she’s WITH. HER. DAD.

Why isn’t that enough? Is your OH someone not to be trusted or something? I can’t think why a woman wouldn’t trust her OH to protect their child in a changing room unless there was a dodgy reason

Notsuchafattynow · 07/02/2025 12:36

I do think men just need to realise that their needs don't trump females.

ProfessionalPirate · 07/02/2025 12:39

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 12:27

It is appropriate- where else should little girls go? Theyre with their dad. A protector they can trust 100% who will ensure they’re safe. If a man is such a fuckwit he can’t keep his daughter safe in a changing room then I despair for that child

Yes of course she will be physically safe, but her privacy is not being respected. Would you be happy to use the men’s changing room if you had a bodyguard with you?

SinkToTheBottomWithYou · 07/02/2025 12:40

ProfessionalPirate · 07/02/2025 12:35

Expected by who? Not me. If my DH wanted to take my daughter swimming and this was the only option for changing, I’d be suggesting he either found a more suitable pool or didn’t go.

Well yes, you are right, they don’t have to use the changing rooms at all if they prefer not to.

I meant: if a man is with a young child and one of them needs to get changed in a changing room, the expectation from most pools/leisure centres/society is that they use the men’s changing room if no family room/unisex room is available.

travelallthetime · 07/02/2025 12:41

TunnocksOrDeath · 07/02/2025 00:25

You're getting angry with the wrong person. It is not this man's fault that the hotel had not provided a family changing area for their guests. If he and his daughter couldn't both go in the same changing area, then they'd both have had to walk through the hotel in swimming gear, which most establishments would not permit. The timing is irrelevant since the problem would have arrisen whatever time they'd used the pool.
First you got him chucked out the pool, then you berated him for something that wasn't his fault.
Man in womens changing rooms is not ideal, but couldn't you have given him five minutes to get his little girl sorted ?

Couldn’t men give him 5 minutes to get her sorted? Not sure why it’s other women’s problem

MadeofCheeese · 07/02/2025 12:43

My DH and I take my 2 year old swimming lots of different places and all the changing rooms/ facilities have been for everyone.

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 12:45

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jellyfishperiwinkle · 07/02/2025 12:46

Feelingathomenow · 07/02/2025 07:56

And all the people saying a changing village is the answer- no! I have ben the subject of a man deciding to expose himself by walking to the lockers naked because he “forgot his towel”.

sex segregated changing rooms are good..small children with a parent are fine in the changing rooms of the parents sex.

Grown men should not be allowed in the women’s changing rooms for any reason - well done OP and your fellow swimmer and staff member

Yes, mixed changing definitely has its own problems.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 07/02/2025 12:47

ProfessionalPirate · 07/02/2025 11:28

They have an equal right to privacy. And little girls should not have to be in the presence of naked strange men. Whether there’s 10 of them or one of them. I’m glad we agree that little girls belong in the women’s changing room, because you seem to be suggesting that it is ok for them to be in the men’s changing room too?

Sure, little girls are perfectly entitled to use the women's changing rooms. However, her father, or any other adult male, is not entitled to use the women's changing rooms whether it be to get changed himself or to change his daughter.

What is your position on little boys being in the presence of naked women? Is it ok for a mother to bring a small boy in to the women's changing room? If so, what is the difference? And no, neither child is likely to be at risk from the men/women in the opposite sex changing room as their parent is there with them.

ruethewhirl · 07/02/2025 12:49

zaxxon · 07/02/2025 12:32

No, it's not obvious.

What is so unbelievably awful about catching sight of an adult changing into their swimming costume?

Well, all I can say in answer to that is that I would have absolutely hated having to see anyone naked at that age, even my own parents, but especially a stranger and especially a man. I don't believe I can have been the only child ever to feel this way.

It's not about 'unbelievably awful', it's about some of us, including children, preferring not to see nudity.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 07/02/2025 12:50

ProfessionalPirate · 07/02/2025 12:39

Yes of course she will be physically safe, but her privacy is not being respected. Would you be happy to use the men’s changing room if you had a bodyguard with you?

Nobody's privacy is being respected in an open plan changing room, regardless of whether they are single sex or mixed. Most people either strip off and don't care or huddle under a towel. Alternatively, if you don't like them, don't use them.

MoreDangerousThanAWomanScorned · 07/02/2025 12:51

Of course he goes in the mens, this is not up for debate.

Am I the only one who doesn't understand why a 5 year old girl potentially seeing naked men in a non-sexual context is such a big deal?

My dad took me and my brother swimming every single week. We went in the mens with him until I was big enough to go in the women's and get changed by myself. I remember no drama about this and I have suffered no obvious ill effects.

ProfessionalPirate · 07/02/2025 12:52

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 12:31

No it’s not either or - it’s kids under 8 go in the changing room of the parent. The end. It’s THAT simple

Hotels cannot spirit up a family changing room. It’s on parents to do what they’ve been doing for decades - sticking to their changing room and taking their kids in until the age deemed appropriate by the facilities they’re using

It’s really not rocket science

If you are happy for your little girl to use the men’s changing room then that’s obviously up to you. Those of us who feel differently have a right not to be forced into it. And my family and friends haven’t been doing it for decades.

8 is an arbitrary age that has been plucked out of the air. Children develop at different rates and for some it will become inappropriate for them to be in the changing rooms of the opposite sex before this age.

MoreDangerousThanAWomanScorned · 07/02/2025 12:53

ruethewhirl · 07/02/2025 12:49

Well, all I can say in answer to that is that I would have absolutely hated having to see anyone naked at that age, even my own parents, but especially a stranger and especially a man. I don't believe I can have been the only child ever to feel this way.

It's not about 'unbelievably awful', it's about some of us, including children, preferring not to see nudity.

I'm sure you're not unique, but I do think it's a bit sad that you grew up with such a taboo on nudity that you felt that way.

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 12:54

ProfessionalPirate · 07/02/2025 12:52

If you are happy for your little girl to use the men’s changing room then that’s obviously up to you. Those of us who feel differently have a right not to be forced into it. And my family and friends haven’t been doing it for decades.

8 is an arbitrary age that has been plucked out of the air. Children develop at different rates and for some it will become inappropriate for them to be in the changing rooms of the opposite sex before this age.

If you don’t feel happy your child going in a changing room with her dad (again, is he a half wit? Why can’t he protect her?) then you only have a right not to use that pool. Find another one. Problem solved

So what age would you be happy with little boys still coming into the women’s changing rooms? 9? 12? 15? Make sure it’s not arbitrary!

OchonAgusOchonOh · 07/02/2025 12:55

ProfessionalPirate · 07/02/2025 12:09

As I said upthread, while I do think young boys deserve to have their privacy respected as well, I don’t think it’s the same sort of safeguarding concern as young girls around naked men. Yes I agree family changing rooms are always the ideal, I don’t think I would want to take my children to my gym pool if these weren’t available.

My son is 6 - too young to send into the men’s changing room on his own. But he has quite a well developed sense of privacy already and would, I know, be uncomfortable getting changed in-front of stranger women. This is despite him seeing me naked at home as normal. Although funnily enough, it’s actually girls around his own age that he would be most mortified about. He’s really funny about his sister seeing him naked for some reason.

I don't understand how it is any more a safeguarding issue to have a girl in the men's with her father than it is to have a boy in the women's with his mother.

Her father is with her. He will, presumably, protect her from any untoward activity. If you are concerned about men looking at her, he will also presumably get her changed under a towel so the men in the changing room will not see anything more than they could see when she was in the pool or walking on deck.

ProfessionalPirate · 07/02/2025 12:56

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 12:35

Not difficulty at all I just don’t get how you don’t understand why it’s ok for a little girl to be with her dad in a male changing room. Plenty of little girls have done it and have been done.

And yes it is acceptable because she isn’t going in alone to change she’s WITH. HER. DAD.

Why isn’t that enough? Is your OH someone not to be trusted or something? I can’t think why a woman wouldn’t trust her OH to protect their child in a changing room unless there was a dodgy reason

Edited

I don’t get why you don’t understand why it isn’t always ok. We will obviously never agree on this but you don’t have a right to force your views onto me.

And how dare you suggest that my DH is some kind of pervert. What a pathetic, low level of argument you have stooped to.

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 12:56

Lesson to women: marry a smart man. Dont marry a man who can’t do the basic job of getting a child changed under a towel or in a cubicle

Brefugee · 07/02/2025 12:58

but give the guy a break!

FGS. No.
Give ALL the women a break

OchonAgusOchonOh · 07/02/2025 13:00

TheignT · 07/02/2025 12:18

The adult men might have been uncomfortable with a curious little girl studying their bodies.

Good lord. So rather than a few men feeling uncomfortable with a rude child staring at them, women and girls should accept a man, whose presence presumably makes them feel uncomfortable, in their space.

If your child is staring, you correct them and point out that it is rude to stare. Lots of mothers seem to ignore that though as I have, over the years, endured small, and sometimes not so small, boys staring in changing rooms.