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Every day waking up to yet another insane declaration from Trump. America is losing the respect of the world

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100A · 05/02/2025 16:51

It's like a parallel universe - how did America come to this? So now he plans to ethnically cleanse Gaza we are told - to create the 'Riviera of the Middle East.' A golf course and hotels probably. The £2 million people can just go wherever. Wtf! AIBU to think America is imploding in on itself?

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Greywhippet · 05/02/2025 18:23

XWKD · 05/02/2025 18:18

Definitely. I hate this "leader of the free world" bullshit.

I suppose it depends how much you think a rules based order in the world matters or international law and stuff

Cerial · 05/02/2025 18:23

100A · 05/02/2025 16:51

It's like a parallel universe - how did America come to this? So now he plans to ethnically cleanse Gaza we are told - to create the 'Riviera of the Middle East.' A golf course and hotels probably. The £2 million people can just go wherever. Wtf! AIBU to think America is imploding in on itself?

It’s interesting to see actual changes happening, the changes that were voted for. Getting criminals without proper immigration out … would like to see that happen in UK.

Locutus2000 · 05/02/2025 18:25

Cerial · 05/02/2025 18:23

It’s interesting to see actual changes happening, the changes that were voted for. Getting criminals without proper immigration out … would like to see that happen in UK.

Nobody voted for occupying Gaza.

Locutus2000 · 05/02/2025 18:26

Nanny0gg · 05/02/2025 18:22

You don't think what happens there could affect us here?

It's this weird thing where people who 'don't care' waste their energy coming on threads to tell everyone they don't care so neither should anyone else.

Just skip the Trump threads folk.

Greywhippet · 05/02/2025 18:27

Cerial · 05/02/2025 18:23

It’s interesting to see actual changes happening, the changes that were voted for. Getting criminals without proper immigration out … would like to see that happen in UK.

You mean like it already does? Under the automatic deportation law?

Threewheeler1 · 05/02/2025 18:28

Today was off the wall.
Had my mouth open listening to him talk about Gaza as though it was a bit of desert that needed some 'Las Vegas' casino treatment.
Honestly can't understand where we're all headed any more. Feels fucking ominous.

Inmydreams88 · 05/02/2025 18:28

None of what he is saying will happen, Canada, Gaza….its all to distract from what he’s actually doing, or what Musk is doing.

Humdingerydoo · 05/02/2025 18:29

Bobbingtons · 05/02/2025 18:18

Israel had always been open about it's end game, no Palestinians at all in Israel. Certainly that's been the stated aim of the right wing government forever, it's not like they have hidden the fact and the state sanctioned murder of West Bank citizens is happening every day now.

This is incorrect. There are plenty of Palestinians in Israel. They are a large part of the Arab population in Israel which numbers 20ish% of the Israeli population.

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/02/2025 18:29

He's an embarrassing disgrace who will be as brilliant for America as Boris Johnson was for the UK.🙈

Nanny0gg · 05/02/2025 18:33

Locutus2000 · 05/02/2025 17:48

Every thread there's a bunch of early posts castigating the OP for daring to have a concern.

Same people who complain about being silenced.

He isn't about ordinary Americans, he's about rich Americans

coldcallerbaiter · 05/02/2025 18:34

Loveumagenta · 05/02/2025 17:48

He’s fucking bananas and I don’t see how any of this is going to Make ordinary Americans any richer which is presumably why they voted for him. Though he is chucking people out of the country pretty sharpish which is pleasing a lot of MAGAs.

I think he has got carried away with his ideas. It is meddling and whilst the British division had good intentions, we are in a different era now. Let the Israelis handle it themselves, I don’t hold out much hope of peace now. Americans have plenty of coastline to invest in. How does this benefit them? American taxpayers won’t want to invest in this piece of land. So he wants businesses to invest? The Palestinians would benefit from a cash injection and jobs, but they would resent it too, This riviera of the Middle East would get bombed to high heaven by terrorists /freedom fighters anyway

squidgie · 05/02/2025 18:36

Echobelly · 05/02/2025 18:08

This is what worries me too.

I think it's likely that global capital, including Musk and his now-unashamed-propaganda engine are gearing up to do everything they can to make sure the UK elects an oligarch-friendly neo-fascist at the next elections.

My only hope is that it's as well our elections were shortly before the US, hopefully it can be pointed out how Godawful things are there. And they will be.

I mean, they'll be great for billionaires and big businesses who will probably turn ever more massive profits; bad for the middle classes and actively dangerous to women, the poor, people of colour and LGBTQ+ people.

I've been saying this on a couple of discussions and some posters have seen fit to insert passive aggressive laughing emojis.

I despair, I really do.

Nanny0gg · 05/02/2025 18:36

HeddaGarbled · 05/02/2025 17:42

We knew he was going to be like this. He knows most of it won’t happen. It’s to wind up the liberals and rev up his supporters. The best thing we could all do is pay him no attention. I know it’s difficult when it’s all over the media but you don’t have to read the detail. Catch a headline, roll your eyes, get on with your life. You’ll feel better for it.

You know he's letting unelected Elon Musk loose on very important govt software?

Mooey89 · 05/02/2025 18:39

I honestly just can’t understand how he is allowed such untapped power.
It is absolutely terrifying. I can’t see how this won’t end in war.

Locutus2000 · 05/02/2025 18:40

squidgie · 05/02/2025 18:36

I've been saying this on a couple of discussions and some posters have seen fit to insert passive aggressive laughing emojis.

I despair, I really do.

People use emojis in that context because they have sweet fuck all to say.

squidgie · 05/02/2025 18:43

I really worry that the toxic far right rhetoric about immigration that has overtaken the media in recent years is stripping away our humanity.

The awful story from Congo today where 400 women prisoners were raped and burnt alive elicited such comments from Daily Mail readers as "And Labour will let these people here" and saying that foreign aid has enabled these regimes and should be cut off. Probably 90% of the comments I read were one or the other.

QueefofSheena · 05/02/2025 18:45

It’s the Musk stuff that’s the most terrifying. He’s systematically working his way through all government departments and taking over. If I were American I’d be very scared about my banking details right now, I’m not entirely comfortable at this distance. That’s before you look at what’s happening with the FBI

LakieLady · 05/02/2025 18:45

Loveumagenta · 05/02/2025 17:51

Fair play to him, I didn’t see the riviera plan coming, even Greenland was a bit of a surprise…

If he wants to turn Gaza into a holiday resort and ethnically cleanse the Palestinians, he probably fancies putting a chain of ski resorts or something on Greenland.

I think he's utterly deranged. If someone made a dystopian film about a crazed leader proposing all the shit he's been talking about, it would be slated for being far-fetched, but this is all too real.

If I lived in America, I'd be terrified for the future.

Mrsbloggz · 05/02/2025 18:46

It's just another version of 'inject bleach to kill the virus'.
He thinks he is bestowing his genius level pearls of wisdom on the world.

squidgie · 05/02/2025 18:46

LakieLady · 05/02/2025 18:45

If he wants to turn Gaza into a holiday resort and ethnically cleanse the Palestinians, he probably fancies putting a chain of ski resorts or something on Greenland.

I think he's utterly deranged. If someone made a dystopian film about a crazed leader proposing all the shit he's been talking about, it would be slated for being far-fetched, but this is all too real.

If I lived in America, I'd be terrified for the future.

But it's not just America, Reform are riding high in the polls.

I'm genuinely terrified.

MrsSchrute · 05/02/2025 18:48

All of this nonsense about Greenland, Gaze etc is a distraction. It's designed to make us all look this way while he quietly destroys the US government in the background.

Cerial · 05/02/2025 18:49

coldcallerbaiter · 05/02/2025 18:34

I think he has got carried away with his ideas. It is meddling and whilst the British division had good intentions, we are in a different era now. Let the Israelis handle it themselves, I don’t hold out much hope of peace now. Americans have plenty of coastline to invest in. How does this benefit them? American taxpayers won’t want to invest in this piece of land. So he wants businesses to invest? The Palestinians would benefit from a cash injection and jobs, but they would resent it too, This riviera of the Middle East would get bombed to high heaven by terrorists /freedom fighters anyway

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Tourism …. Plenty of other countries economies rely on tourism. It’s not the worst idea - employment, revenues perhaps increase standard of living.

why should “Rivera” type tourism on the much protested about “sea” be an instant NO. ?

Dontlletmedownbruce · 05/02/2025 18:49

Connected1 · 05/02/2025 17:46

In Trump's head, the rest of the world is just a giant playgroup for rich Americans

He'll claim space too, it's just a matter of time. He will rant about populating Mars or something.

Let him off, I say. It's just words. Give the man enough rope to hang himself as the saying goes.

sprigatito · 05/02/2025 18:50

Ponderingwindow · 05/02/2025 17:39

I’m American and I spend a lot of time depressed these days. Last night I just started laughing. Picturing a Trump casino on the Gaza Strip is just ludicrous. I know it’s offensive and awful, but I also don’t believe for a moment that it is going to happen.

im pretty sure he did just lose every last slim thread of credibility he had in the world stage. I have no idea what that means for our country our the planet.

I'm so sorry. I can only imagine how horrible it must be to be a normal, decent American right now. All my US friends are either despairing or planning to leave. 😞

Parker231 · 05/02/2025 18:51

Cerial · 05/02/2025 18:49

Tourism …. Plenty of other countries economies rely on tourism. It’s not the worst idea - employment, revenues perhaps increase standard of living.

why should “Rivera” type tourism on the much protested about “sea” be an instant NO. ?

With ethnic cleansing ??

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