What do you think of Blake Lively?

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From what I’ve heard with the current drama surrounding her I’m shocked. Did anyone’s opinions of her change?

ps this isn’t a bashing thread

What actual evidence does he have? Fucking nothing but speculation, slander, and things that can be interpreted in one way or another. He's poisoned the well with the aforementioned smear campaign (that btw even the pr people were surprised went so well) that everyone is primed to hate her.

Obviously I read the website he put up with a pinch of salt, there is his opinion put in there, but the messages she has sent are wild. She may very well have a sexual harassment claim, I can’t speak on that as I wasn’t there. However, she ran a very calculated campaign to gain creative control from him and the production company. There is evidence for that. Demanding to see the dailies, demanding to sit alongside the director in the editing suite, then to have time with her own editor to cut her own version of the movie (she was an actress not a director). Despite JB’s cut of the film scoring higher in previews we ended up with her version of the film being the one which was released. She just refused to sign her acting agreement which tied her in to being legally obliged to promote the movie. Financially this would have been disastrous and Wayfarer and Sony acquiesced to her demands.

She refused to allow Justin Baldoni’s name to appear above the title on the film poster or have ‘a film by Justin Baldoni’ appear on the poster. Again, Sony allowed this as she was threatening to not approve the image rights which would mean no posters or promo with her image.

She demanded Baldoni and Jamey Heath write a letter recommending her to receive a producer credit from the Producer’s Guild of America which neither thought she deserved. They ended up writing the letter to ensure they could move forward with the release of the movie.

Great argument 🙄

She has utilised her husband and her best friend to try and pull a power move and was met with resistance that she wasn't expecting.
In the same way she wasn't expecting JB to bite back legally (and with receipts).

What I saw was Blake commenting on Justin's nose.

Yes, doesn't she realise she can't have an opinion on another man's face 🙄😆

I am ashamed to say that, just like with Amber Heard, I had a negative opinion of her over the summer - I had heard things in passing, had not looked at or thought about them in depth but was very aware of the stuff about her so-called disrespectful behaviour. FWIW I never saw the problem with her 'wear your florals' message at the time - yes the film was about DV but it was about ending the cycle which is an uplifting theme - the fact that this can happen. But that still was not enough for me to not be affected by all the negative press. Do I think she is perfect? Of course not. Do I believe her? I am inclined to with what I have seen more recently.

Edited to finish as for some reason it posted twice and this posted before I finished!

I am ashamed to say that, just like with Amber Heard, I had a negative opinion of her over the summer - I had heard things in passing, had not looked at or thought about them in depth but was very aware of the stuff about her so-called disrespectful behaviour. FWIW I never saw the problem with her 'wear your florals' message at the time - yes the film was about DV but it was about ending the cycle which is an uplifting theme - the fact that this can happen. But that still was not enough for me to not be affected by all the negative press. Do I think she is perfect? Of course not. Do I believe her? I am inclined to with what I have seen more recently. Just like with AH, I think these things build momentum and it is hard not to be affected, especially if the target is not perfect. I hope I will be less affected by these negative press campaigns in future.

How do you explain all her explicit sexual texts?

Ball Busting
Never Teeth
Sexy
Suppositories

I am neutral til all the evidence is in but you sound deranged by ignoring this evidence. Do you know what ball busting refers to?

I don't think anything of her.
I do think that men have been destroying women who speak out for a very long time.

Which part isn't true?

That he signed the document before filming restarted, agreeing to certain terms? That he hired the same pr firm as Johnny Depp had during the amber herd trial? Or that Bryan freedman, his lawyer, settled out of court with a minor who accused him and his mates of gang rape?

Or that Bryan freedman, his lawyer, settled out of court with a minor who accused him and his mates of gang rape?

So all the people he represented eg Gabrielle Union, Julia Roberts, Alanis Morrisette, FKA Twigs, etc should not have used him?

Basically he shouldn't be a lawyer?

I've been following the case very closely and it's very difficult not to see that she attempted to stage a takeover of the production. I've read and watched a lot of the evidence and am struggling to believe that he is guilty of what she has accused him. I'm normally very much of the 'believe women' camp but in this case, that's not what I'm leading towards. I could be wrong of course, but, given what I've seen and read, I believe that and her husband have orchestrated something that has got out of hand.

And using that logic Blake Livelys publicist used to represent Harvey Weinstein & her business was funded by him when she split from another firm. Should she fire her?

When she was promoting It Ends with Us, I was extremely frustrated, but I don’t know if that frustration is fair to her or if she was acting on studio instructions.

I saw the trailer for the movie and something felt off about it. It looked like a rom-com. It was advertised as a rom-com. The title didn’t match and I just had this nagging feeling. I had also read one book by the author and it was incredibly, wonderfully dark. I knew what I was getting into with the book.

I looked up the movie and that is when I found out it was about domestic abuse. As a survivor, If I had gone into a movie expecting a rom-com and ended up with that instead, I would have been a mess. the marketing for that movie was offensive.

so if Blake lively drove the marketing for that movie, then she is awful. If she capitulated to a powerful studio and met her contractual obligations to toe the company line, then I understand being in a difficult position. I don’t really have enough information to divine the truth.

as for the dispute between Lively and Baldoni, he certainly comes across the better of the two. He marketed the film as a film about domestic violence. He presented himself as a serious artist addressing a serious subject. Was it all PR? Entirely possible.

neither of these people is doing themselves any favors by continuing this dispute. Both Lively and Baldoni will probably be considered toxic in Hollywood. Neither of them is talented enough or a big enough box office draw to be able to get through this.

The real question is how much damage is Ryan Reynolds going to take in the process. He isn’t invincible. If I were his advisor and would have told him to nip this thing in the bud with a quiet settlement months ago.

I don’t know, I think they all seem to live on another planet- even jb’s voicemail sounded surreal! Saying that I feel sorry for fans of the books who would have probably liked to have gotten two movies out of them

I've never heard of Blake Lively. I will look her or him up.
I just did, still don't know her.

This. Exactly this.

For someone who has spent his whole career performing like a seal about his feminism, he sure likes to surround himself with some pretty despicable representatives.

The smear campaign that they unleashed on Blake is exactly what happened to Amber Heard and is such a common tactic of abusers. Discredit the victim so no one believes their story.

All I seem to see about her everywhere is negative views, painting her as mean, rude etc, which actually makes me quite suspicious! It feels like a smear campaign and I wonder if the words used to describe her would be used for a man using the same behaviours. I obviously don’t know her though so she might well be awful.

So Amber's own admissions on a recorded tape that 'she did start a physical fight' and that Johnny should grow up and stop being such a baby when she was meting out her abuse were not relevant to the jury's deliberations?

The fact that she said she appeared on the James Corden show with a broken nose and black eyes and there is no evidence of this in the stills:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10789317/Amber-Heard-said-use-super-heavy-makeup-hide-wounds-James-Corden-show.html

The fact that she said he raped her with a broken bottle but had no signs of injuries and did not visit the hospital?

But Johnny did have to vist the hospital when she cut off his finger by throwing a bottle at him?

What a strange pumpkin you are to disregard these facts.

You did a disservice to yourself calling me a "strange pumpkin".

Patronising other women and calling them names does take away the intelligence of your counter argument.

I recommend listening to the podcast Trolling Amber Heard, and keep in mind he lost his case in the UK when it was presented to judges. Yet he won in the US in front of jurors who had been inundated with his PR smear campaign. Those are relevant details, regardless of what you believe.

Do I think she was 100% innocent? No. But abused women in a massively power imbalanced relationship often act in ways people wouldnt like.

Edit: I would also like to reference some of the things that in my opinion show Depp's character.

His text exchanges with actor Paul Bettany about harming Heard, including a message where Depp wrote, "Let's drown her before we burn her!!!"

He admitted to headbutting her, this is recorded.

Another text message, for good measure. This is how he chatted to friends about a woman.

"I, of course, pounded and displayed ugly colors to Amber on a recent journey." He continued, "I am an insane person and not so fair-headed after too much of the drink."

He lost his case against the Sun - there was no discovery of evidence against Amber as she was not a party to the case. This was the critical factor to his win in the USA as all the pertinent evidence showing Amber's lies were presented to the jury who found her to be a malicious liar by virtue of their verdict. Unfortunately the Sun relied on Amber's lies with their salacious and untrue story which now Dan Wooten (the reporter) has apologised for.

You are aware that Amber was arrested in an airport years earlier for assaulting her then wife, Tasya Von Rees? And she accused the police officer of being prejudiced against a lesbian couple - unfortunately for her, the police officer was a lesbian herself... She saw Amber assault Tasya, this is a fact. Amber is an abuser.

The Sun relied on her lies and even the judgement portrays such a lie - that she donated her divorce settlement to charity as evidence of her moral character. As was concluded in the US trial, she did not donate her settlement and it showed her to be the massive liar she is.

Please do not perpetuate mistruths about Amber Heard and seek to present her and Blake Lively as victims. It is a gross misrepresentation.

He said he head butted her accidentally whilst restraining her. I would not place much stall on the texts between him and Paul Bettany - this was a man that had been put through hell and it was an exchange full of hyperbole, someone who had been beaten down mentally and physically. Was it pleasant - no - but it is not evidence of physical abuse.

Whereas he was admitted to hospital with a severe finger injury due to Amber's violence when she threw a bottle at him. There are pictures of their honeymoon where he has a swollen eye which he claimed was due to her abuse. He referred to himself as having a 'monster' inside him when he drank but this never translated to physical violence despite what the text says.

She doctored images for the trial, and his expert said that the metadata was so scrambled the images could not be relied on. The police officers who arrived at their flat after she said he had thrown a phone at her found no evidence of abuse. But the next day she appeared with a bruise (no swelling) on her face? The people at the building where she lived also testified that there was no injury to her face.

She is a manipulative liar.

I think it’s important to remember that the reporter was not speaking in her first language when she congratulated BL on her ‘little bump’. I agree it was slightly jarring because it’s a comment on her body, and it would have been better to say “congratulations on your pregnancy/ news”. I do think BL was rude to her though.

It seems like a PR war more than anything else. It does seem that she used her higher status to bully him into doing things her way. Re sexual harrassment, he does seem to have a lot of receipts but we don’t know everything yet I’m sure. The Taylor Swift dragon thing was quite cringy, I would be raging if I was her!

OP hasn't come back? Shocking.

Whatever her star power an actress under legal contract does not have the power that posters here are implying. JB is the director as well as lead actor and co-chair of the studio with his mate and billionaire studio owner Steve Sarowitz, he’s also close friends with Jamie Heath the producer. That is a powerful trio. Which I think is why BL cringily referenced Khaleesi’s dragons as she knows she’s outgunned.

If she were in control she would not be bounced into scenes where JB is kissing her unscripted and she’s trying to talk him out of it on camera.

Where her status does comes into play, however, is getting hold of the rushes and paying for her own edit, which Sony then chose over the alternative.

But power wars on film sets - rewrites, arguments over edits, with sexual harassment thrown in - is par for the course in Hollywood.

I think everyone involved in this debacle is as mad as a box of frogs.