Hate speech but not hate

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Why is everything regarded as 'hate speech'. If I do not agree with your beliefs I don't hate you, I just don't agree. For example I believe in biological sex, not 'assigned gender or gender fluid or neither is gay or lesbian my thing but I don't hate anyone for their stance on it, neither would I be rude or harmful to them or wish to incite any harm to them, but why must my not having the same view be regarded as hate? I think the term hate speech is in itself inflammatory and hateful to both parties, agree or not?

But calling someone who believes they are in the wrong body a freak for example (and I am not...actually going to a trans womans birthday on Saturday) is hate speak. Like I want to limit immigration to the uk...but if I say all ns and ps should be sent back where they came from that is bloody hateful...and by the same token I should be sent back.to Denmark/Germany/France given the recent DNA thing I did!!

However, people who don't like to be challenged shout hate speech because they are not intelligent enough to argue their stance.

Hyperbole is very popular these days. Using phrases like hate speech, right wing, echo chamber, far right etc shuts down constructive arguments. It's the modern equivalent of sticking fingers in your ears and saying la,la,la, I can't hear you.

You don't agree with me because I'm gay? No, it isn't hate speech, but it's bloody ignorant. Do you think I asked to be born this way? Do you think I chose to be ridiculed and risk losing my family over something that wasn't my choice? Do you think I chose this life?

You might not agree with it, and it might not be hate speech, but you are a bloody ignorant person.

No I said it's not my thing, I didn't say I don't agree with gay, I said its not my thing and never in any interaction would I say anything to make you feel bad. I don't agree with smoking but I don't hate smokers, I have friends of all sorts and family that are lesbian I don't hate them, I'm warm and kind to them I just have a different life view. That's the thing I'm saying, it's not hate speech to differ in opinion. In my family there are different faiths, smokers, lesbians but none of us feel there is hate because we hold different opinions. My point is why must it be labelled hate speech?
I wouldn't march against anything I didn't like, my view is that everyone has a right to choose their path but i think by using this 'hate speech' title for everything just stirs up contents.
To make the point before anyone says something else, obviously there is such a thing as hate speech for example actually attacking someone verbally for who they are but I think you know what I'm actually referring to in my first post. I will say it again though, I don't hate anyone and not having the same life view does not make me hateful.

This is hate speech according to the UN:

"any kind of communication in speech, writing or behaviour that attacks or uses pejorative or discriminatory language with reference to a person or a group on the basis of who they are, in other words, based on their religion, ethnicity, nationality, race, colour, descent, gender or other identity factor."

Forms of hate speech can include scapegoating, stereotyping, stigmatization and the use of derogatory language.

It's perfectly possible to have an opinion that does not encompass any of the above.

You can ask the person accusing you of hate speech to justify why, using the definition above.

But I didn't call anyone a freak did I?
Please just read my post again. I think by your response you show my point perfectly, I'm saying I have a different view and suddenly you jump to ' calling them a freak' your words not mine.
Therefore it perfectly proves what I'm saying, I hold a different view and I'm the problem? I don't insist anyone else holds my view or argue that they can't hold theirs, I stay quiet to avoid harm or offence I'm simply saying that the term hate speech is many times unnecessarily inflammatory. That's it.

What is the view you hold on gay people that is different?
i presume you are not just saying you are not gay yourself.

It depends on with how and why you're saying it and who you're saying it to imo.

Telling a gay person that you don't agree with their lifestyle when they mention having a husband or wife is probably hate speech.

Being in church and having a minister read something in the bible out about men laying with women and quietly agreeing with that probably isn't.

I'd also be interested to hear what you're saying when you're being accused of hate speech OP.

Completely this!

People seem to find it really hard to believe that there can be genuine differences of opinion where neither side is 'wrong' or 'hateful'. Jumping straight to accussing people of 'hate speech' or some kind of 'ism' too quickly and inappropriately only works to make people sceptical of all claims and allows genuine hate speech to fly under the radar.

So you’re a homophobe? You can’t write this stuff honestly!

I think tolerance has to go all ways though and this is where it gets tricky.

If the gay person said that they disagreed with the views of a religious person then would that be hate speech? I think lots of people would believe that some views can be legitimately challenged but this is incredibly sensitive and subjective. For example my instinct is to openly condemn someone that was trying to forward the pro-life agenda as part of their religious beliefs as I believe women's rights needs to be protected but I would essentially be speaking hate about their genuinely held religious beliefs.

We are in the early stages of a Nineteen Eighty-Four style purge of our language. The ultimate goal is to remove words and phrases so that views that don't conform to what is deemed correct by those in power cannot be expressed in language. This obviously takes many generations, the George Orwell example is naive in the expectation it could be done in a hundred years or so.

At this early stage, words can't really be removed without people noticing. For the time being, the main tool is to deplatform/cancel people who may have views that are "incorrect" and condemn media sources who let them air their views as "far right" or "extremist". In private conversations it is termed "hate speech" and such behaviour is prioritised by government forces like the police.

I think things are cyclical, eventually there will be a backlash against modern values and we will regress (or progress, depending on your point of view) back to the typical norms with regard to things like gender and sexuality.

Interesting thread, OP. I don’t think being gay is a viewpoint, so it’s not something you can really hold an opposing opinion on. If you mean something like, for example, disagreeing with legal gay marriage, then that’s an opinion. Not mine, but I wouldn’t consider you stating that as hate speech.

I recently got banned from reddit for hate speech. What was my crime? Saying that it was a good thing for female athletes, and fair play in general, that males could no longer compete in their events!

I don't think homosexuality is a viewpoint OP... Being straight doesn't mean you have different views to a gay person, it means you're attracted to different people. How is that a viewpoint? Unless your viewpoint is that everyone should be straight like you?

Because a lot of the time it’s not merely “having a different opinion”, it’s also hate. The two things are not necessarily mutually exclusive exclusive.

And quite often it is literally just a difference of opinion...

And the two are not mutually exclusive…

Yes, but quite often there is no hate involved at all, no?

In my example, someone posted on Reddit that banning males from a sport was not good for anyone. I literally replied that it was actually good for the women who had trained hard in that sport because it would be fairer for them and their opportunities to progress in their sport. That's all I said. I was banned for hate speech!

Hyperbole like "everything is regarded as hate speech"?

Agreed.

How on earth did you get to the OP being a homophobe?!? What utter bs. She's is very clearly not a homophobe!!

I hope you aren't one of those people who think being gay is a choice, because being that ignorant in this day and age is pretty bad... But you're free to think it.

@dotjones, do you want to go back to the days when gay sex was illegal? Do you want to abolish marriage equality? Really?

Many religions disagree with homosexuality. Arguably you all calling people that follow these religions ignorant which could definitely be considered hate speech in itself. Do you agree with religious freedom?

She just has an unsayable opinion about gay people that differs from the opinion of gay people themselves.

So cryptic