Hate speech but not hate

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Why is everything regarded as 'hate speech'. If I do not agree with your beliefs I don't hate you, I just don't agree. For example I believe in biological sex, not 'assigned gender or gender fluid or neither is gay or lesbian my thing but I don't hate anyone for their stance on it, neither would I be rude or harmful to them or wish to incite any harm to them, but why must my not having the same view be regarded as hate? I think the term hate speech is in itself inflammatory and hateful to both parties, agree or not?

What is the constructive argument for banning abortion or refusing to allow trans people to access services and medical care?

The protection by law is quite specific and nowhere near as wide ranging as you suggest. There are churches and other religious establishments up and down the country that are allowed to actively preach against homosexuality. Freedom of religion is protected under the Human Rights Act.

@Bumpitybumper Interesting. Does that apply to all deeply held beliefs then? If a religion sincerely holds that women ar inferior to men is it hateful to call them ignorant?
Also, if a Roman Catholic tells a Methodist that the Methodist Church is unbiblical for performing same-sex marriages is that hateful in your view?

That isn't what you said when you challenged me though.

FWIW if someone told me that it was wrong for someone who was gay to ever have sex or get married, I would tell them that I disagreed, and I would tell them that in my opinion any God who cut off part if his creation from the joys of live and family was unworthy of worship. They would then be free to disagree with me. Not hate speech.

If someone is using their religion to say that your life should change then you can absolutely speak up about that because someone else's belief system shouldn't have an impact on your life.

Whether that about being anti abortion (and therefore wanting to restrict your rights) or being gay (and them deciding who your partner should be based on their belief system).

It doesn't fall true the other way around because someone pro choice isn't going to try and force a woman into an abortion, and someone who is gay isn't going to try and force someone else to be gay based on their views.

People are absolutely entitled to their views, and they are also entitled to express them, but they can't do that in a vacuum, the intent behind expressing those views, and the people they express them to need to be taken into account too.

Well is it not surely just that she doesn't fancy women and prefers a relationship with a man? She's not saying lesbianism is wrong, just that it's not for her. It's not for me either but that doesn't mean I can't be open and accepting and loving toward people that are. Just because someone says they don't share the same values doesn't automatically make them a homophobe and it's the people who so readily throw these terms around that exacerbate the problem.

You're proving the OP's point. She writes something very mild that simply states her views, and you blow up at her and start using aggressive, accusatory language.

This is part of the problem. If someone happens to mention they don't agree with same-sex marriage just shrug and move on. It's ok that they hold a different opinion. They are not personally attacking you.

Deeply weird way to express being straight tbf. Where do the values come in there - the values of not fancying women? I don't get it at all.

Calling people en masse derogatory terms is hateful and prejudiced.
You can disagree with gender being an identity, and know that bio sex is reality. But you can't say 'trans people are wrong/ don't exist/ are all pervs/ arseholes etc'
You can disagree with the actions of politicians in a certain country, but you shouldn't brand everyone born there inferior/evil.
If you generalise about vast groups of people in a negative way, often without having even met any of them, then it is hate speech.

It most certainly does hold the other way round. It strikes me as quite arrogant to think otherwise.

"I have friends who are in mixed race relationships, I still love them and we don't fall out just because i have a different opinion to them. "

Would you think
A. What a perfectly normal way for someone to say they just happen to be in a relationship with a person who shares their ethnicity but have absolutely no issue with mixed race relationships

B. That person has an issue with mixed race couples

If she just happens to not be a lesbian, that's not an opinion, it's just a fact.

The opinion brings a value judgment with it or that there is a point to debate

Hate is such an extreme horrible word isn’t it? No one wants to be called hateful. That’s why it’s so effectively used by aggressive activist groups. Because it shuts down debate and free thinking and free speech.

When women who display suffragette ribbons on their front door are arrested and bundled into police cars (as happened in Scotland) that’s when you know that society is in trouble. Because it seems that ‘hate’ is only interpreted one way and we are a hair’s breadth from complete lunacy with Taliban levels of misogyny underpinning law and justice.

You still haven’t told me where perjorative is defined nor who decides what is perjorative.
I notice sex isn’t in that list, despite the fact that it’s a PC under the Equality Act. So you can call a woman a bitch and that’s fine?

Someone anti abortion thinks no-one should be allowed to have abortions.

Someone pro choice doesn't believe everyone should have abortions.

Someone homophobic doesn't believe gay people should exist or be able to love who they want.

Someone gay doesn't think everyone should be gay and straight people shouldn't exist.

So, no, it doesn't hold true the other way around. It's not arrogant, it's just facts.

Put the goalposts back.

These religions can believe want they want but it is a clearly demonstrable fact that homosexuality is not a choice nor a point of view.

Saying this is not hate speech towards those of faith.

That can be interpreted awfully widely. Are the videos that Instagram shows me of black Americans mocking white people for not seasoning their food hate speech? It's definitely stereotyping based on race and I have an extensive spice rack. But I'm not about to call the police.

Or what if you say a particular religious group is homophobic? Different groups are more or less accepting of gay people. But at the same time we rightly protect gay people from discrimination.

As with everything in life, we apply common sense.

White people don't use enough seasoning Vs white people are all paedophiles. Guess which one would be hate speech.

Absolutely! But poorly drafted legal definitions can become dangerous when things shift and those in power want to use laws for unintended purposes.

My personal feeling is like the OP, far too many people seem to think disagreeing or not liking something is hate. This does proper instances of abuse no favours whatsoever.

The existence of homosexuality may be a demonstrable fact but I don't agree that it is objective fact that it isn't a 'choice' to act on homosexual feelings. That's what many religions preach. To say someone is ignorant for believing that the expression of homosexuality is a choice would be insulting their religious beliefs.

Just to be clear, I'm not religious myself but I believe that OP is absolutely within her rights to express her beliefs about homosexuality in a respectful way. If they are rooted in religion then indeed it is her human rights to do this and should not be regarded as hate speech.

Thankyou Shmee1988, yes obviously I'm not a homophones just by saying it's not my thing, otherwise gay people would be hetrophobes because being heterosexual was not their thing. So many responses demonstrate the point of my original post, any view that doesn't conform to certain narratives is deemed hate, something is so terribly wrong with that hey?

But that isn't what you said on your original response to me.

However, in the scenario you describe above, I could legitimately say that a faith which denies a portion of humanity the expression of their love is a faith that lacks kindness and compassion. And that would not be hate speech.

Why should beliefs that are rooted in religion be treated differently than ones that aren't?

By 'not your thing' is that your weird way of saying you're not gay?