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“I find women too difficult”

271 replies

calvermegan · 01/02/2025 20:37

Having a conversation at work about funny house share stories. I mentioned I lived with 6 other girls during my uni years (we got on great and are still friends now).

Colleague said I’d hate that as I just find women so difficult and they always dislike me. Colleague is female and constantly says how well she gets on with men.

Aibu to think saying this is just bizarre? All men and all women are not the same. I’m not going to like or dislike you based on your gender.

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easycheesypeas · 03/02/2025 13:25

I2amonlyhereforTheBeer · 02/02/2025 21:43

If they have too much work to do, they should really only be saying 'goodbye' once and not over and over again. You haven't addressed WHY women have too much work to do. I'm a woman and I don't have too much work to do because I simply refuse to do more than my fair share. Look at this site. How often do you hear women saying they do all the housework, child rearing, hold down a FT job, look after PILs, look after grandchildren. What steps are they taking to change that? I don't support the patriarchy. It doesn't help men or women. But women seriously need to help themselves or else put up with massive inequality in the division of labour, which is what they still continue to do.

Women do fight against patriarchal structures, all the time. The suffrage movement, campaigns against FGM, body positivity, campaigning for abortion rights, unionising, educating, consciousness raising. Refusing to do things is fine but it only benefits the individual. Why should the oppressed be pressured to.do more and the oppressor never be expected to do anything?

SleepyHippy3 · 03/02/2025 13:38

easycheesypeas · 03/02/2025 13:25

Women do fight against patriarchal structures, all the time. The suffrage movement, campaigns against FGM, body positivity, campaigning for abortion rights, unionising, educating, consciousness raising. Refusing to do things is fine but it only benefits the individual. Why should the oppressed be pressured to.do more and the oppressor never be expected to do anything?

Exactly! And the oppressed getting blamed for being oppressed. Such nonsense.

latetothefisting · 04/02/2025 13:39

I2amonlyhereforTheBeer · 02/02/2025 15:10

I grew up with brothers and sisters. Brothers were easier but more distant. Sisters were more supportive but more competitive. Your colleague could well be ND. It does affect how you feel about the sexes. Here is my list about my frustrations with women:

women talk endlessly about their children, never about themselves. I want to hear about you
older women talk endlessly about their grandchildren, rarely about themselves. I want to hear about you. Men are okay talking about themselves and don't often talk about children
some older women spend their hard-fought retirement looking after grandchildren, neglecting themselves, instead of travelling the world, taking up new hobbies, having time for yourself, just reading a book. You're dead a long time. I think men get that
a woman's identity seems to be, so often, absent as it's tied up with someone else's identity. The average man couldn't function without knowing and projecting his own identity
some women can't leave a restaurant without saying goodbye endlessly on the pavement. Men tend to say one goodbye and leave
women do strange things to their faces and bodies (spiders in your eyes / big lips etc) which takes time and money and a lot of looking at yourself in the mirror (narcissism), but the results aren't always better. Men (unless they're body builders) aren't that bothered with altering themselves or what their reflection looks like
women talk A LOT, but substance often isn't there. Also they laugh A LOT while talking. What's so funny? Men laugh less and say more with less words
some women can't get passed the people-pleasing thing but it makes them fake because they'll smile at your face but probably wish you gone. Men don't usually do people-pleasing which makes them more honest
women embraced the false promise of 'having it all' and ended up with the reality 'doing it all'
women seethe with resentment from 'doing it all' but they can't or won't take the necessary steps to make sure they only do their fair share. Men will invest a lot in protecting their laziness and won't necessarily feel guilty about it
women gossip about personal things to do with others. So they may well be gossiping about me right? I find personal details, especially if it involves bitchiness, boring and irrelevant ... and so probably do most men
some women think its a great thing to be a multi-tasker. I know that being a multi-tasker makes you responsible for everything and a master of nothing. Men know this too. So did Leonardo da Vinci. I prefer to be like them - good on single focus. It makes for a far more rewarding life too
some women, even in this day and age, seem to put themselves last and won't demand or fight for freedoms that should be universal. But I'm not sure putting yourself last helps anyone and some women end up looking like martyrs. Men know that martydom isn't a good look.
On this site I can't believe the lack of fair share between couples when it comes to domestic duties. I'm literally gobsmacked. So many women complaining and putting up with, but not acting with real determination and commitment to ensure they are treated fairly. Men would act - they wouldn't accept being worked to death like the 'noble' horse Boxer from Animal Farm
On this site again - why do so many women end up looking after their partner's parents because, apparently, that's what women do? I never did. I liked his parents but that's about it. A man won't look after your parents
Women can be extremely intelligent, capable and organised - but for many, instead of this being their pathway to leadership roles, high salaries, great discoveries etc, they exhaust themselves with detail and mundane chores that usually relate to other people, not even themselves. Men will make sure they use these qualities to better themselves and improve their position in the world
women of an older generation can be very embittered. They didn't have the opportunities and freedoms their daughters have so they can come across as rather shallow, sad creatures. Men of the same age are used to coming from lines of successful men with their own autonomy. They don't look back in anger or horror at their fettered ancestors
Most women appear to be driven by biology. It's literally 'I want a baby' and economic / global issues, climate change, personal circumstance don't seem to figure much in the equation
Women don't seem to like women who outwardly display courage, commitment, anger, rage, their opinions and their demands. Secretly, they want to keep that 'little' woman in the same hole they're in? Men will admire strength of personality in another man and want to be like him
Women in some cultures will quite happily rip a female's genitals out. There's no way the average man will interfere with another man's junk

All of which you might think are sweeping generalisations, but I think there's truth in all of them.

The positives about women: There are so many brilliant successful women out there who don't laugh at things that aren't funny, don't people-please, can say goodbye just the once and won't tolerate gossip - think Kemi Badenoch, Anne Widdicombe, Greta Thunberg, Beth Mead, Karen Brady, Helen Sharman, Serena Weigman, Angela Merkel, Angela Raynor

Strangely, I dislike women more than men for both their failings and their strengths. Can't win I suppose, but I make it my life's work to NOT be the things that I seem to despise so much in some women

how on EARTH do you know how many times Angela Merkel or Greta Thunberg says goodbye to someone?!

you despise women for....laughing when talking. So outwardly enjoying themselves? How dare they?
And men apparently don't laugh as much? News to anyone who has ever sat near a group of lads in a pub/on a train having some 'banter.'

what an utterly weird (and sexist) post!

latetothefisting · 04/02/2025 13:46

Spanielsaremad · 03/02/2025 10:00

I've always had more male friends than female friends. I've always worked in a typical male dominated profession. My hobbies and interests are 'traditionally' male ones so I've just naturally gravitated towards men who share my interests.

Which in itself is fine

What would you think if several new women turned up to one of your hobbies? If 'Oh, cool, new people who share one of my interests, potential new friends,' (or literally whatever you'd think if a new man joined) then fair enough.

If it's anything along the lines of, 'Oh no. Why did they have to come? Having lots of women will change the dynamic. They are probably going to be really boring and just chat about their kids and not just get on with the (hobby). They probably don't even like it and have only come to flirt with the men. It was great when it was just me and the lads.' then you have an issue.

luckylavender · 04/02/2025 13:51

I find men easier a lot of the time. My idea of Hell is a Hen Party.

SleepyHippy3 · 04/02/2025 13:56

luckylavender · 04/02/2025 13:51

I find men easier a lot of the time. My idea of Hell is a Hen Party.

Why easier?

NowThatYouSayIt · 04/02/2025 13:58

SleepyHippy3 · 04/02/2025 13:56

Why easier?

Dunno, because they don’t invite her to Hellish Hen Parties? But she’s fine with lap dancing, puking and clingfilming the groom naked to a lamppost in all-male company?

luckylavender · 04/02/2025 14:24

Obviously I'd never go on a Stag Do 🙄

SleepyHippy3 · 04/02/2025 14:35

luckylavender · 04/02/2025 14:24

Obviously I'd never go on a Stag Do 🙄

But why does your idea of hell being a hen do, having anything to do with you thinking men are some how easier to get along with?

5128gap · 04/02/2025 14:40

luckylavender · 04/02/2025 14:24

Obviously I'd never go on a Stag Do 🙄

So why did you equate female friendship with going on a hen do, as though it was somehow a compulsory part of having women friends? If you can be friends with a bunch of men by cherry picking the aspects of male behaviour and interests you engage with, then surely you can do the same with women?

luckylavender · 04/02/2025 14:50

🧐

latetothefisting · 04/02/2025 17:02

luckylavender · 04/02/2025 13:51

I find men easier a lot of the time. My idea of Hell is a Hen Party.

this is going to be a novel concept to you, but straw willies, cocktails and strippers aren't actually compulsory elements of a hen party.

It's amazing to have to explain this to someone who is presumably a grown adult, but most women are friends with people whom they like and have things in common with, and their hen parties will then reflect those interests.

I've been to a whole mix of hens, from the above 'cocktails (and cocks) and clubbing', to the laid back 'boardgames and takeaway at mine,' to the 'theatre show and nice meal,' to the 'sunny beach and relaxing,' the 'city break seeing historical/cultural sites and then to a jazz club or ruin bar in the evening,' not to mention 'fancy dress in a theme park,' 'spa day then afternoon tea,' and 'white water rafting/assault course then pub grub.'

The only standardised element of a hen is a group of friends celebrating a significant event, and if that's your idea of hell then that says something about you, not women in general.

Fifthtimelucky · 04/02/2025 18:21

On the whole I prefer the company of other women but I have to say that I rather enjoyed sharing a house with three men for a couple of years in the 1980s.

They were all so keen to show that they weren't expecting me to do all the cleaning that I probably got away with rather less than my fair share!

luckylavender · 04/02/2025 19:03

@latetothefisting - I have been to hen dos. Lots of drunk women. Not my scene at all.

calvermegan · 04/02/2025 20:12

luckylavender · 04/02/2025 19:03

@latetothefisting - I have been to hen dos. Lots of drunk women. Not my scene at all.

And men don’t get drunk on stag dos? Ok..

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luckylavender · 04/02/2025 20:20

Oh for goodness sake. Why are people banging on about bloody Stag dos?

SleepyHippy3 · 04/02/2025 22:11

luckylavender · 04/02/2025 19:03

@latetothefisting - I have been to hen dos. Lots of drunk women. Not my scene at all.

What, so very different from your typical lads stag do?

SleepyHippy3 · 04/02/2025 22:13

luckylavender · 04/02/2025 20:20

Oh for goodness sake. Why are people banging on about bloody Stag dos?

Because you are banging on about hen dos?

calvermegan · 05/02/2025 19:54

luckylavender · 04/02/2025 20:20

Oh for goodness sake. Why are people banging on about bloody Stag dos?

Because what you said made no sense. Your idea of hell seems to be a hen do because women get drunk. But men do the same on stag dos but this seems irrelevant to you.

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StormyPotatoes · 05/02/2025 20:14

calvermegan · 05/02/2025 19:54

Because what you said made no sense. Your idea of hell seems to be a hen do because women get drunk. But men do the same on stag dos but this seems irrelevant to you.

I know! I can’t understand the logic at all.

The last hen do I went to we went to one of those indoor total wipeout places, had a nice city brunch, a few drinks and some chatting in our accommodation but early to bed to go on a hike the next day. The men went to a strip club, one of the groomsmen got lost because he was off his head on coke and the others were hanging the next morning. Some had lap dances.

But yes - evil hen dos and all that!

TomPinch · 05/02/2025 22:26

The last hen do I went to we went to one of those indoor total wipeout places, had a nice city brunch, a few drinks and some chatting in our accommodation but early to bed to go on a hike the next day

Tbh that sounds like a lot of stag dos. I've never been on a stag that involved drugs, booze, fights or naked women.

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