To think they call us Karen because they fear us

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I absolutely hate the term Karen. It's pejorative and deeply unpleasant.

Middle aged women (of whom I am one and to whom the term is most generally applied) are bloody amazing. Putting us down for our don't give a f**k badass attitude and willingness to fight back strikes me as lazy categorisation.

I'd go as far to say that those who use it are scared by the knowledge that looking the menopause in the eye has given us the courage to have a voice at last.

AIBU?

I agree with @MorrisZapp - societal issues around pretty much any topic are vastly different in the U.K. than the US. It’s just obtuse to say insults have the same meaning. I’ve never once heard or seen Karen used in an attack on a racist woman

Oh you’re back. Nothing to say about calling a rape victim a Karen?

Also you don’t speak for all black people. Not all POC see Karen the same way as Americans do.

A woman of colour isn’t educated on racism? Ok. Convenient

No. They are both slurs however, and one being worse doesn’t make the other acceptable

She has already apologized.

I think it’s unnecessary to keep attacking her about this.

Making a mistake doesn’t mean her voice shouldn’t be heard.

Why are you assuming everyone here is white?

This is the challenge I’ve been making all along.

The conclusion was: I’m racist for even suggesting maybe we should look at facts not feelings

Actually she didn’t apologise. She just said “I got it wrong”. Im not inclined to take seriously people who can’t even stop to think for a minute that a white woman being raped may not have made a false accusation.

Well in this case, there is no particularly complex deliberation needed.

There is simply no rationale case that Black was attacking Becker in that video.

Well apart from the raised voice and finger pointing by Black. 😉

Hi 👋🏼 Thanks for the welcome back. (And no, I’m not all that sorry I wrongly thought the victim was the accuser. I am sorry she was raped, of course. It was a horrific attack. It was horrific for her and for the children who were wrongly jailed for it, but I’m no more sorry for my one error than you are for thinking that white women’s tears aren’t a real and dangerous thing.)

But to allow growth and educate, we must all be willing to listen to what is being said. Just listen to what Ms Black says in that interview. 'Take your feelings to the altar, she isn't responsible for your feelings'. That must cut both ways.

Well as the other commenter says amongst white people in the UK it never had that meaning.

But it is not true to say in the UK it never had that meaning full stop.

She is not educated on the history of the term Karen, how it came into being and also the gendered forms of racism it categorises.

That’s not my opinion - it is self evident in what she has written. It is ill-informed.

Even Haley Freedman, in her article criticising the use of “Karen” at least bothered to educate herself on the history of the term.

White people who only know other white people (bar their one or two token black friends, who usually happen to have grown up surrounded by whiteness), don’t even realise there are whole other communities out there with our own lingos, until that lingo is appropriated and misused. I internally scream every time I hear the word “woke” these days.

I actually haven’t seen or commented on the video

Except you got something factual wrong about a woman who was raped - but seem to think this is the same as having a different opinion? Disgusting that you’re not sorry that you wrongly accused a rape victim of being a Karen. Says it all really.

Care to tell us how white women are the “most protected group”?

That’s another one that has been taken from one source and completely misused and then people complain about the new meaning they gave it.

Ok so why do I need to stop using words like “Woke”, “Pick Me”, “Karen” because some people decide to use them in the incorrect context?!

Out of interest - why ^did^ you think Trisha Meili was a Karen? Could you not be arsed reading the article properly or did you make an assumption that because she’s a white woman she must have been accusing black boys?

Did yo read the article??

There is no woman with a first name of Woke or Pick Me (well it’s unlikely). Thats the difference.

These also aren’t used as a slur against women only

Care to tell us how white women are the “most protected group”?

Sure. You’re white.

Am I? What makes you think that?

Also I know you struggle with comprehension but that’s not an explanation. Normal people want a bit more.

I would’ve thought white men were the most protected group. But you’re suggesting white woman are oppressors of white men if they’re the ‘most protected’.

No.

I magically know what was in the article without reading it.

She flippantly refers to the Karenism and white privilege but then goes on to describe herself as behaving in a “Karen like manner” which demonstrates an utter failure to fully understand the the history of the term and how it is used.

White women are the most protected group of women.

I find it interest that the “ oppression olympics” is used mainly by people who have privilege.