To think they call us Karen because they fear us

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I absolutely hate the term Karen. It's pejorative and deeply unpleasant.

Middle aged women (of whom I am one and to whom the term is most generally applied) are bloody amazing. Putting us down for our don't give a f**k badass attitude and willingness to fight back strikes me as lazy categorisation.

I'd go as far to say that those who use it are scared by the knowledge that looking the menopause in the eye has given us the courage to have a voice at last.

AIBU?

And i havent admonished you 🤔

Were you under The impressions people are only allowed to post who agree with you?

Why when I asked of examples of Karen did you say Central Park 5?

I mean this can’t be news to you?

The poster wasn’t just referring to leveraging white privilege to make false accusations against black people to police.

The specific behaviour the poster referred to was leveraging whiteness to control people of colour. Yes, that can be calling or threatening to call the police for perfectly innocent behaviour. But there are countless other examples - google white womens tears.

Can I suggest educating yourself about racial discourse before deciding the poster in question needs to prove the existence of the type of behaviour in question?

Are you drunk?

Incidentally not that I expect many
people dismissing this particular manifestation of racism to actually engage in facts but this is a good account of the sort of thing I am referring to, and I assume the other poster is too.

repository.uclawsf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1449&context=hwlj

That's just the same examples that have already been given, along with some special pleading and some insulting guff about white women's tears.

Ok, so this is all based in critical race theory, right? An academic theory, it’s not factual, some people might look at evidence to support it and choose it as part of their belief system, and it clearly chimes with you so you wish to discuss these matters using it’s tenets, but others do not. So posters can decide how to approach this discussion however they want to, whatever you might instruct them to do.

Not facts, theories around racial matters and historical injustices, but not facts.

I’m not saying to can’t exist I’m just saying does it happen to the point of it being a serious problem that women the world over deserve a nasty moniker?

And like I say I’ve seen the Amy Cooper story but I’ve never seen similar stories in their droves. It’s quite amazing nobody can provide more stories without implying a rape victim is a Karen

My name is Karen and I hate giving my name when asked. I've started whispering it. I can't even complain about the situation without being a Karen! Now I sound like one for complaining about not being able to complain.

I feel a name change coming

Having skimmed this - what exactly does it prove? It’s basically an opinion piece. It is not peer reviewed factual research.

Exactly.

Its a theory and very few real life scenarios may or may not have existed.

Backing up with an opinion piece from a problematic group of Universities who’ve proven themselves to be anti-women (and also a little anti Semitic so hardly on the side of the oppressed). No respected academic would use “white tears” as a factual statement in any peer reviewed research

The article I posted contains multiple examples of what I am talking about.

You can read countless accounts from men and women of colour about the same sort of behaviour.

A bunch of white people online denying the accounts of those people is sort of proof of the issue being described.

That is exactly what I was talking about, yes. More fool mr for expecting a conversation about the weapon of whiteness on MN not go exactly the way it has though!

No - not critical race theory.

I only see racist women being called Karen’s

Firstly how do you know the race of posters??

Secondly it details alleged incidents based on very little information. In most instances they don’t even know the name of the people involved. Since when did we no longer need any proof when people make claims?

Look, nobody is saying racism doesn’t exist. But the claim of there being “thousands of incidents” like Amy Cooper just doesn’t hold water. White women are not, as a class, a problem for anyone. Thats not to say individual white women have not been a problem for individual black men.Much like any one individual from a demographic has been a problem for an individual from another demographic. But this is not a widespread worldwide problem that justifies discrimination of women

And people using half truths to make it out like it is is just another misogynistic attempt to pin the world’s problems on women.

Why when I asked you for examples of Karen’s did you give the Central Park 5?

That YOU using a rape victims whiteness to weaponise your (weak) point.

Well it’s not based on facts that’s for sure

Then you enjoy a very restricted view.

Youre in the minority then. I saw a video of a woman wanting a mug not a take away cup being called a Karen

Thank you for your posts planetjanet

This nails it and several posts on this thread supports that view

Ageist, misogynistic and used by people who are a bit thick

Sure it is. Denying those facts is really rather proving the point.

Not even being able to name people and using by their own admission “alleged” events based on social media videos, is not the same as facts.

I thought there were thousands of Amy Coopers out there?