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To be really glad I don't live in America right now

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AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 09:57

I really feel for ordinary Americans. It's bad enough on this side of the Channel, hearing daily about Trump's latest petty, spiteful, idiotic bullshit - that rant against the Bishop who asked him to have mercy on immigrants, the ridiculous and insulting attempt to blame 'diversity' for the plane crash - but living under it must be so much worse. And heaven help you if you're LGBT or a woman. Or an immigrant. Or not white. Or poor. Or anyone else Trump and his freakshow of a government despises. I moan about the UK all the time, like everyone else who lives here, because god knows it's far from perfect, but at least we don't have a government in charge who is trying to strip huge swathes of the population of their rights and citizenship.

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FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 31/01/2025 15:03

likeyoubut · 31/01/2025 14:52

America is an extremely polarised country, I don't think anyone would say all Americans are happy with Trump. Just as not everyone here is happy with Labour.

Its worth pointing out that Trump, on the popular vote, had a much more decisive victory that our own Labour party did, he had 49.7% of the popular vote, Labour had 34% of the vote.

Based on that, its reasonable to guess that more Americans are happy with Trump, perhaps both in terms of numbers and level of happiness, than UK citizens are happy with their Government.

Americans had 3 candidates to vote for. Two of those, one got 49% and one got 48%.

We have several parties and a voting system which relies on "this party got most seats even if they didn't have candidates everywhere"

It's not a comparable system

Locutus2000 · 31/01/2025 15:04

GCAcademic · 31/01/2025 11:23

There's been a massive swing to the right amongst young people, particuarly young men. It's a mistake to think it's just old people that are voting Reform. We should enjoy feeling glad that we don't live in America while it lasts, because we are fully headed down that road, I'm afraid. Reform may not win an election outright next time around but I think there's a good chance that we'll be looking at a coalition situation.

This is real.

Young people are abandoning democracy for dictators. I can understand their despair | Owen Jones

Fascism in power in the 1930s brought the world to genocidal war. But memories have faded, as has the stigma attached to the far-right – and that’s dangerous, says Guardian columnist Owen Jones

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/14/young-people-democracy-dictators-fascism-war-far-right

NautilusLionfish · 31/01/2025 15:10

Dotjones · 31/01/2025 10:10

There are a lot of people who look at the UK and are glad they don't live here right now. We're not in any better a place.

You may not like Trump but there are plenty of people who think Starmer is no better.

If you're hard left you'll hate Trump, if you're hard right you'll hate Starmer. If you're in between you'll probably dislike both of them.

FWIW I think the diversity argument is worth investigating. Jobs like controlling aircraft should be done by the best people to do them. Diversity should mean that the best person gets the job regardless of their background, i.e. if the best candidate is a black lesbian that shouldn't matter, not that a substandard candidate gets the job simply because they are a black lesbian.

But there lies the problems which dei policies were trying to address. Competent black people are regularly overlooked for jobs they qualify for simply because of their colour their names. Competent women are overlooked or nor catered for because they are women. The argument for dei is not to get incompetent people in. It's to create a fair system where everyone can thrive in. To create workplace policies where racism, bullying, sexism in their multitude of forms are not tolerated. To investigate structural barriers based on race, sex, (dis)ability and dismantle them so that all those you call a tiny minority can enter and thrive. But fox and the hard right have sold a narrative that it is about getting incompetent minorities in. FGS we don't even know why the crash occurred but minorities are to blame? How is that not 1939 level shit?

lifeturnsonadime · 31/01/2025 15:14

FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 31/01/2025 15:01

Times have changed considerably, for the worse in many cases, since his last administration
And he has been elected despite his anti-minority stance and literally being a criminal
He now has a legitimate claim that Americans don't care about minorities or legalities...

I read Handmaid's Tale long before it was a popular TV series and even the it struck me as how worryingly plausible it seemed. And the world was very different then.

He elected one woman and plenty of sex offenders. It's like saying "I can't be racist, I have a black friend". It doesn't mean he's pro-women

I get the sense that the minority you are most concerned about are the ones who identify as women but who are in fact male?

The restoration of single sex spaces and sports is a positive for female people and for homosexual people, if sex is displaced by gender then you have the absolute horrors of lesbians being told that they have to accept that males can be lesbians and the issues of males wanting to break the cotton ceiling.

I am also familiar with the Handsmaid Tale, both the book and the TV series. I definitely saw the irony of the way that women thrown to the alter of trans in Canada & other parts of the Western World in the backdrop partcularly of the TV show.

I don't doubt that things will be difficult for minority groups, I understand that trans people do not benefit from anti discrimination laws in housing and employment in the way that they do in the UK and I don't think that anyone should be harassed or victimised because they don't perform gender roles.

However when women are being raped and sexually assaulted in prison by male bodied inmates and when girls lose out to sporting scholarships and are called bigots for not wanting to be naked in changing rooms next to male bodies and gay or vulnerable children are being given hormones to prevent their bodies from developing appropriately and are having double mastectomies because they don't feel that they align with femininity then women have a problem. It is our job to protect women and children from such sexism and physical harm. It's a shame the Democrats failed to recognise the problem leaving Trump with an open goal.

In the meantime it's 2025 and the USA has a female in the most senior administrative role which is Chief of Staff. So I have no doubt that Trump is a misogynist. I can't stand what he stands for in the majority of his beliefs but I applaud him for restoring women's sex based rights and for halting the medical harm to children.

LastTrainsEast · 31/01/2025 15:15

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:06

I'm personally very glad we have checks and balances here and that one maniac can't start deciding stuff like 'life begins at conception', get all his people onto some grand judiciary that they remain on until they die, then get it made into law. Imagine if Starmer said he wanted to invade Ireland? Everyone would think he'd lost the plot and he'd be out of power in a jiffy. And that would be correct.

The Prime Minister has the authority to declare war. Parliament has no say in it.

lifeturnsonadime · 31/01/2025 15:16

kattaduck · 31/01/2025 15:02

Well he did appoint the judges who were instrumental in overturning Roe vs. Wade.
So that dud happen.

Yes of course it did.

BUT the Democrats knew this was a likelihood and failed to act to codify Roe v Wade to prevent it.

Obama had even promised to do this pre- his first term election but didn't follow through.

Neither party has, when it comes down to it, acted to protect women's reproductive rights.

I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the Democrats in failing to recognise the part they played in failing to settle this once and for all.

luckylavender · 31/01/2025 15:17

@AnonymousBleep - I fear Reform is starting to appeal to the young. Much like Trump.

LoyalMember · 31/01/2025 15:18

As reprehensible as Trump might be to others, he was voted in again by people who are heartily sick of what's going on in their country and are looking for change and results.

LastTrainsEast · 31/01/2025 15:18

KimberleyClark · 31/01/2025 10:10

Trump himself didn’t accept the result when Biden defeated him and led assaults on the Capitol. Please don’t mistake him for a democrat.

I saw that.

No wait I fell asleep watching Rambo and dreamed it. I guess you did too.

luckylavender · 31/01/2025 15:20

SouthernFashionista · 31/01/2025 10:11

I’m not a fan but have family in the US and they’re all perfectly happy. I don’t think they need pity from anyone. As I said, I’m not a fan but he has millions of supporters 🤷🏿‍♀️

I have family in the US who are devastated

luckylavender · 31/01/2025 15:21

@Hoardasurass - I'm a woman. Still with Starmer.

luckylavender · 31/01/2025 15:22

What's GC?

LoyalMember · 31/01/2025 15:22

luckylavender · 31/01/2025 15:20

I have family in the US who are devastated

What's devastated them?

LastTrainsEast · 31/01/2025 15:24

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:12

100% agree. I think it's deeply depressing how the hard right have managed to weaponise identity politics and get women voting for them against their own interests.

Right.... What woman in her right mind would deny men the right to enter women's changing rooms?

Why on earth would any decent woman object to women's sport being taken over by men?

Obviously they must be far right to think women are allowed rights at all.

LifeExperience · 31/01/2025 15:24

Whimsicalgrape · 31/01/2025 11:31

Sex is determined about 6-7 weeks after gestation. I know trump isn't a fan of science and all but at least get it right.

Sex differentiates at 7 weeks, but which sex the baby will differentiate to is determined at the moment of conception by whether the fertilizing sperm carries an X or a Y chromosome.

hattie43 · 31/01/2025 15:24

Americans don't care about you or your thoughts OP. They voted Trump in . It doesn't affect you so be on your way .

FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 31/01/2025 15:27

I get the sense that the minority you are most concerned about are the ones who identify as women but who are in fact male?

You'd be wrong.

  1. Your language there is offensive
  2. Transpeople are both FtM and MtF but funnily enough it's only one which gets attention
  3. Transpeople was the issue brought up here. I'm very concerned for the rights and lives of women, disabled people, PoC, religions that aren't Christian and Gay/Lesbian/Bi under this man. They are all under threat of even worse suffering
LifeExperience · 31/01/2025 15:28

Dutch1e · 31/01/2025 11:50

Because the USA is a single country? It had decades to enshrine Roe Vs Wade.

And during that time the federal government was led by the Democrats more often than the Republicans. Yet the Democrats did nothing to pass a pro-abortion law. Nothing.

But abortions are somehow Trump's fault.

FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 31/01/2025 15:29

LastTrainsEast · 31/01/2025 15:18

I saw that.

No wait I fell asleep watching Rambo and dreamed it. I guess you did too.

Is this a joke?
Because we all saw the assaults on the Capitol...

sugarandfudge · 31/01/2025 15:30

He's not perfect, but he's 100x better than the alternative on the ballot. It's not worth the effort and time of pointing out all the inaccuracies on this thread, so I'll leave it at that.

Iloveyoubut · 31/01/2025 15:33

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:06

I'm personally very glad we have checks and balances here and that one maniac can't start deciding stuff like 'life begins at conception', get all his people onto some grand judiciary that they remain on until they die, then get it made into law. Imagine if Starmer said he wanted to invade Ireland? Everyone would think he'd lost the plot and he'd be out of power in a jiffy. And that would be correct.

I’m pretty sure Trump said something about his personal views on abortion were that it should be available to all up to 16 weeks unless there were extenuating circumstances. Not that I agree with this but that’s what he said.

Hoardasurass · 31/01/2025 15:33

Willyoujustbequiet · 31/01/2025 13:21

When he said "grab them by the pussy"

Plus being a sex offender would suggest he doesn't respect a woman's bodily autonomy surely?

Yanbu OP. He's batshit and has made America the laughing stock of the entire world.

That makes him a predatory male but doesn't show that he intends to outlaw abortion dose it

Iloveyoubut · 31/01/2025 15:34

sugarandfudge · 31/01/2025 15:30

He's not perfect, but he's 100x better than the alternative on the ballot. It's not worth the effort and time of pointing out all the inaccuracies on this thread, so I'll leave it at that.

Yeah… I don’t have the energy either I agree with you though.

Alaimo · 31/01/2025 15:37

Iloveyoubut · 31/01/2025 15:33

I’m pretty sure Trump said something about his personal views on abortion were that it should be available to all up to 16 weeks unless there were extenuating circumstances. Not that I agree with this but that’s what he said.

He did say that. He's also had many different other views on abortion:

www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trumps-many-abortion-positions-timeline-rcna146601

ItSnowsIntheSouth · 31/01/2025 15:38

I live in the US, but I'm not a citizen. It's not so bad. Believe it or not, a lot of citizens like Trump & the US media don't make him out to be the devil.