To be really glad I don't live in America right now

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I really feel for ordinary Americans. It's bad enough on this side of the Channel, hearing daily about Trump's latest petty, spiteful, idiotic bullshit - that rant against the Bishop who asked him to have mercy on immigrants, the ridiculous and insulting attempt to blame 'diversity' for the plane crash - but living under it must be so much worse. And heaven help you if you're LGBT or a woman. Or an immigrant. Or not white. Or poor. Or anyone else Trump and his freakshow of a government despises. I moan about the UK all the time, like everyone else who lives here, because god knows it's far from perfect, but at least we don't have a government in charge who is trying to strip huge swathes of the population of their rights and citizenship.

So, the fact that I correctly stated that Farage has 2.2 million followers on Twitter, that most people do not use the BBC for news and showed you stats proving that Twitter is more popular than ever and stated the irrefutable fact that people of all different persuasions and politics post their views uncensored by governmets or the media on Twitter - all of that is put aside because you don't like Twitter.

And this is why you cannot have an adult discussion, and why it was a waste of my time to bother trying.

I tried, I really did.

Goodbye. You need the last word, so I give you permission to take it.

We have without doubt got a ton of massive problems and have been in managed decline for years. I think that's a worldwide problem. Maybe I'm just feeling really negative ATM but it's hard to see what can be done to turn things around. I feel like we're in a similar state globally now to how the world was in the 1930s, complete with the rise of would-be despots.

I believe that’s always been the case though @username299 . If someone obtained citizenship by falsifying their documentation, for example, or not truthfully answering a question on the application, it can be revoked. It’s not a new rule. You even have to declare unpaid speeding tickets!

Same with visas, that’s why there’s been a fuss about Prince Harry as there’s a section about drug use and some suggest that he didn’t answer it truthfully.

Most Americans don’t realize just how thorough the immigration vetting process is!

I can imagine. 14 years of the Tories has decimated the country and then you have Brexit. Change is hopefully around the corner, it can't get worse.

Sadly, me too. Feeling very bad for my children that I can't optimism up much of a way back to the world we thought we were bringing them into.

This isn't a thread about Twitter though? Sorry you don't think I am capable of having an adult discussion about something completely unrelated to the thread topic. Have a nice day!

No but it contributed definitely. I hear what you are saying about CNN but Fox News is rhe most popular and watched news channel in the US by some margin.

He didn't get 50% of the votes...

If you don't think it's coming then enjoy your new Handmaid role

How Americans feel is going to be who you know over there.
If you only really know rich, white, able bodied, straight people then you'll see a very different reaction to if those you know are in any minority (or more than one)

Democracies work by counting the votes of those who actually voted. He won both the popular vote and the state vote. Within the rules of the game, he very clearly won on both ways of counting the vote.

Trying to reframe a victory as barely a victory by discarding how the system works is not convincing.

I can't stand the man, but I'm not going to try to pretend this was not an clear victory within the rules and context of the American election system.

I really think Trump's opponents would be better off spending their time honestly and dispassionately appraising WHY he won, than expending wasted energy pretending he hardly won at all.

I am not for a moment implying he did not have a legitimate victory (that seems to be the purview of Republicans). I am saying that statements like, Americans (generalised) are happy with him does not capture a true picture of the country.

Oh for the love of god. All sorts of things were said about Trump the first time which didn't happen.

Reproductive rights are in the hands of individual states. The democrats failed to codify when they had the opportunity and even when Obama had promised.

As for your 'woman's place should be in the home' under Trump narrative, well isn't it funny how Trump has appointed a woman Susie Wiles to Chief of Staff? Hardly a sign that he thinks women should be chained to the women sink.

I'm no fan of Trump but you could knock yourself out with the hyperbole you're posting.

I'm sure the Americans won't be bothered. They got the president they voted for.

What a strange thing to say

Like all Americans are the same person

He makes it harder for poor women to get an abortion.
Link above.
Also depends if you see every abortion as a tragedy. I don't. I see it as a choice.

Labour seem even more determined to 'kiss the ring' than the Tories would have been.

Mandelson's statement was a sad state of affairs.

There was just over 1% difference between number of votes for him and for Kamala

Brexit had slightly more of a gap and still people wanted a do over...

I really think Trump's opponents would be better off spending their time honestly and dispassionately appraising WHY he won

@likeyoubut That's exactly how I feel.

America is an extremely polarised country, I don't think anyone would say all Americans are happy with Trump. Just as not everyone here is happy with Labour.

Its worth pointing out that Trump, on the popular vote, had a much more decisive victory that our own Labour party did, he had 49.7% of the popular vote, Labour had 34% of the vote.

Based on that, its reasonable to guess that more Americans are happy with Trump, perhaps both in terms of numbers and level of happiness, than UK citizens are happy with their Government.

You mean for the infant mortality rate?
Or less economic inequality?
The weather sucks though I give you that

When have I said otherwise? I'm very simply replying to the generalisation that Americans are happy with him.

And people have said that, on this thread, as that was what I was responding to.

Trump couldn't give a fuck about abortion one way or the other, he just bends with the wind.

The Project 2025 team behind his presidency however are far more worrying.

Anyone interested in US politics should read it in full.

Summary from the Graun.

Times have changed considerably, for the worse in many cases, since his last administration
And he has been elected despite his anti-minority stance and literally being a criminal
He now has a legitimate claim that Americans don't care about minorities or legalities...

I read Handmaid's Tale long before it was a popular TV series and even the it struck me as how worryingly plausible it seemed. And the world was very different then.

He elected one woman and plenty of sex offenders. It's like saying "I can't be racist, I have a black friend". It doesn't mean he's pro-women

Well he did appoint the judges who were instrumental in overturning Roe vs. Wade.
So that dud happen.