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GMB reporting on liberation of Auschwitz (minus the Jews!)

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TheRewritingOfHistoryBegins · 27/01/2025 21:40

I couldn’t see another thread on this but if there is, let me know.

AIBU to be absolutely outraged about the report on the liberation of Auschwitz of GMB without one mention of the fact they were Jewish people who were killed?

https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1883921202416345358

What the hell is going on in this country where we can’t even speak of the victims of the greatest atrocity ever taken place in this world?

Jews they were Jews.

x.com

https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1883921202416345358

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JoyousGreyOrca · 28/01/2025 01:52

@ARealitycheck It was about Auschwitz survivors, and those who did not survive.
The food reporting (not GMB) talked about how over a million Jewish people died at this one camp, and about other groups targeted.

Hilarioushilda · 28/01/2025 01:58

It was not solely Jewish people liberated from the camp, so ‘ people’ is a more accurate and inclusive term to use

LondonLawyer · 28/01/2025 01:59

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 01:10

If you had been a Palestinian living in Palestine this last 12 months I'd suspect your opinion would be different.

Break it down to basics. One group who have tripled in size in the past 70 ish years want to push another group who have been there centuries out of the area and claim it as their own. Can we think of any recent occurances that sound similar?

The population of Gaza was about 250,000 in 1950 and is now over 2 million, so it hasn't tripled in the past 70 years, it is 8 times higher!

Hilarioushilda · 28/01/2025 02:02

Do they need to be named and mentioned separately as to not be associated with others? Are they offended to be named as people along with poles, romas , other ethnics , disabled people? Does that say more about the ones complaining about not being mentioned separately?!

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 02:02

LondonLawyer · 28/01/2025 01:59

The population of Gaza was about 250,000 in 1950 and is now over 2 million, so it hasn't tripled in the past 70 years, it is 8 times higher!

And if that population increase is from the non settled group using terror and warfare on the settled group, would that be bordering on genocide?

LondonLawyer · 28/01/2025 02:02

politickie · 28/01/2025 01:24

To those saying that the vague reporting was correct because of the other groups of people also targeted, I sympathise, but this is not the moment. Antisemitism and holocaust denial is on the rise, we cannot afford to have major, national television programmes shying away from the reality of the holocaust and the fact that the vast, vast majority of those targeted were Jewish.

And I say that as someone who is both gay and disabled, and, if it matters, pro-two-state-solution with regards to Israel and Palestine. I know how often our holocaust history as gay and disabled people is overlooked, but that is no justification for this reporting, and we cannot pretend that it is.

Something appalling which is also overlooked - homosexuals in concentration camps weren't "rescued" and "liberated" by the Allies. Some were even re-imprisoned. Tens of thousands of gay men were arrested and prosecuted in West Germany after 1945.

LondonLawyer · 28/01/2025 02:07

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 02:02

And if that population increase is from the non settled group using terror and warfare on the settled group, would that be bordering on genocide?

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "non settled group", but you seemed to think that group A tripling in 70 years indicated something significant. As Gazans have not tripled but gone up by 8 times in the same 70 years, either you underestimated the population increase in Gaza (if you meant the Gazans tripled and this was somehow a Bad Thing) or the Israelis triped in 70 years and this was a Bad Thing.

The population of Gaza has not increased from warfare or terrorism as far as I'm aware - it's doubled since 2000, and there have been no settlers in Gaza since Israel withdrew in 2005, and no significant migration (voluntary or involuntary) from Israel to Gaza in that time period.

JoyousGreyOrca · 28/01/2025 02:11

Hilarioushilda · 28/01/2025 02:02

Do they need to be named and mentioned separately as to not be associated with others? Are they offended to be named as people along with poles, romas , other ethnics , disabled people? Does that say more about the ones complaining about not being mentioned separately?!

They need to be named as Jewish.
Yes there were Jewish Polish people, disabled people, etc. But the vast majority killed at Auschwitz were killed because they were Jewish

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 02:22

LondonLawyer · 28/01/2025 02:07

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "non settled group", but you seemed to think that group A tripling in 70 years indicated something significant. As Gazans have not tripled but gone up by 8 times in the same 70 years, either you underestimated the population increase in Gaza (if you meant the Gazans tripled and this was somehow a Bad Thing) or the Israelis triped in 70 years and this was a Bad Thing.

The population of Gaza has not increased from warfare or terrorism as far as I'm aware - it's doubled since 2000, and there have been no settlers in Gaza since Israel withdrew in 2005, and no significant migration (voluntary or involuntary) from Israel to Gaza in that time period.

I'm looking at the proportion of jews v non jews in Palestine or Israel depending on your persuasion. As you well know, Gaza has reduced in size dramatically over the past century. As has the percentage of non Jews (Arabs) to an incoming Jewish population increased in Palestine/Israel.

1946 and the end of WW2. Jews make up less than a third of the population. 1948 and the creation of the Israeli state by Western powers and that population increases to over 80% Jewish and it then increased again reaching nearly 90% at one point.

That really can't be talked away as natural changes in a population.

Trousername · 28/01/2025 02:27

YANBU OP, I've watched the whole segment and the first mention of Jews comes right at the end with a few seconds about the Krakow ghetto. The reporter mentions other groups who were persecuted and murdered by the Nazis (disabled people, Poles, Romanis) but no Jews, just "people". Six million "people". Extraordinary. It's either an extremely stupid mistake in the editing or it's deliberate.

meh2025 · 28/01/2025 02:28

TheRewritingOfHistoryBegins · 27/01/2025 22:13

Anyone voting YABU want to tell me why?

They are anti semites who hate Jewish people. That's the only possible reason why.

AGovernmentOfLawsNotOfMen · 28/01/2025 02:28

Hilarioushilda · 28/01/2025 01:58

It was not solely Jewish people liberated from the camp, so ‘ people’ is a more accurate and inclusive term to use

Edited

From the Death book records of the camp there are few Jewish people mentioned. Jews rarely entered the camp proper and weren’t even registered as they were sent straight to the gas chambers.
To be a liberated Jew from Aushwitz you were very lucky and very rare.

80% of the people registered in the Death books were Catholic mainly from the Polish community as they had been registered at point of entry.

Those who were killed were mainly Jewish, those who survived were not.

extract from Aushwitz.org below

meh2025 · 28/01/2025 02:30

LondonLawyer · 28/01/2025 02:02

Something appalling which is also overlooked - homosexuals in concentration camps weren't "rescued" and "liberated" by the Allies. Some were even re-imprisoned. Tens of thousands of gay men were arrested and prosecuted in West Germany after 1945.

I've never heard of this, not saying this is untrue just saying I have never heard it before. Do you have a source for that?

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 02:32

Trousername · 28/01/2025 02:27

YANBU OP, I've watched the whole segment and the first mention of Jews comes right at the end with a few seconds about the Krakow ghetto. The reporter mentions other groups who were persecuted and murdered by the Nazis (disabled people, Poles, Romanis) but no Jews, just "people". Six million "people". Extraordinary. It's either an extremely stupid mistake in the editing or it's deliberate.

Your statement is exactly the bit that annoys me. They were ALL people. They were ALL treated barbarically. To try and claim one up man ship because one group had higher losses to these scum than another is seriously messed up.

AGovernmentOfLawsNotOfMen · 28/01/2025 02:34

AGovernmentOfLawsNotOfMen · 28/01/2025 02:28

From the Death book records of the camp there are few Jewish people mentioned. Jews rarely entered the camp proper and weren’t even registered as they were sent straight to the gas chambers.
To be a liberated Jew from Aushwitz you were very lucky and very rare.

80% of the people registered in the Death books were Catholic mainly from the Polish community as they had been registered at point of entry.

Those who were killed were mainly Jewish, those who survived were not.

extract from Aushwitz.org below

Edited

Added

GMB reporting on liberation of Auschwitz (minus the Jews!)
Auldlang · 28/01/2025 02:43

Yes the phrasing is super strange, as others have said, no other word that "Jews" or "Jewish people" makes sense with the sentence that follows. Weird.

SammyScrounge · 28/01/2025 02:47

The overwhelming majority of people murdered were Jewish. Hitler's.specific target for extermination was Jewry. This was the plan. The minute details which went into planning and transporting and slaughtering Jews was staggering. Even when the war was coming to an end, the Nazis kept the trains running to carry Jews to their death.
It was the greatest atrocity ever devised and was aimed at Jews.

AGovernmentOfLawsNotOfMen · 28/01/2025 03:16

SammyScrounge · 28/01/2025 02:47

The overwhelming majority of people murdered were Jewish. Hitler's.specific target for extermination was Jewry. This was the plan. The minute details which went into planning and transporting and slaughtering Jews was staggering. Even when the war was coming to an end, the Nazis kept the trains running to carry Jews to their death.
It was the greatest atrocity ever devised and was aimed at Jews.

it was far more complex

Hitlers Mein Kampf and reports evidenced at the Nuremberg Trials clearly showed are far deeper hate and plan to persecute and demolish religions as a whole
Entire MasterPlans presented regarding the Persecution of Christian Churches, for example.
If Hitler had won the War or even had it carried on for longer his entire plan would have been realised.

oakleaffy · 28/01/2025 03:19

That’s literally insane not to mention Jewish people-
That was the whole point of Auschwitz and similar death camps, to wipe out Jewish population.
The Gypsies and gay people were in the minority.

Shocking reporting.

CrowleyKitten · 28/01/2025 03:20

Aftergloww · 28/01/2025 00:50

It’s just poor wording, but I’m not entirely sure what you’re so offended about. Everyone knows who (mainly) got killed.

If anything, I’d say the Roma are the most overlooked group in that respect.

and the fact that the "pink triangles" weren't really liberated. they were largely moved to prisons.

Bollihobs · 28/01/2025 03:39

WitcheryDivine · 27/01/2025 22:15

That looks to me like a genuine error where either the person doing the autocue script accidentally deleted the word “Jewish” or the presenter accidentally skipped it. A serious error but the script only “makes sense” if you add in the word Jewish at the beginning. Otherwise she’s just saying six million people were murdered plus another million people for different reasons. Hopefully they will clarify.

If your theory is true what a weird coincidence that the one word they "accidentally delete" is the word Jewish...... 🤔

Dorisbonson · 28/01/2025 03:49

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 02:32

Your statement is exactly the bit that annoys me. They were ALL people. They were ALL treated barbarically. To try and claim one up man ship because one group had higher losses to these scum than another is seriously messed up.

The purpose of the final solution was the extermination of the Jewish people. The reason the camps existed was the hatred of the Jews.

I don't think you should try to diminish that fact.

sadmillenial · 28/01/2025 04:07

meh2025 · 28/01/2025 02:30

I've never heard of this, not saying this is untrue just saying I have never heard it before. Do you have a source for that?

https://www.auschwitz.org/en/history/categories-of-prisoners/homosexuals-a-separate-category-of-prisoners/robert-biedron-nazisms-pink-hell/

At the end of the war, the majority of homosexuals were freed from camps in both parts of divided Germany. However, the homophobia directed against them by the public remained strong. Article 175—the basis for sending thousands of innocent people to concentration camps—remained in force in the DDR until 1967, and in West Germany until 1969. There were some American and British lawyers who demanded that homosexuals convicted under Article 175 serve out their full sentences. For instance, if someone had been sentenced to eight years and served five years of the sentence in prison followed by three years in a concentration camp, the lawyers demanded that the person return to prison to serve out three years. The number of people forced to “complete” their sentences in this way is not known. To this day, no financial compensation has been paid to the victims of Nazi homosexual policies, despite the fact that the German government offered compensation to victims of Jewish ethnicity, political prisoners, and other groups that survived the concentration camps. Only the homosexuals were passed over. Many people deny that the homosexuals have a right to any such compensation, stating that victims with an alternative sexual orientation were justly imprisoned, and “had no one but themselves to blame.”

meh2025 · 28/01/2025 04:08

Shocking. Thanks for the information.

Mummyoflittledragon · 28/01/2025 04:17

Livelovebehappy · 28/01/2025 01:22

Pushing someone out of an area they ‘own’ is very different to being taken to a concentration camp, being deliberately starved, experimented on, tortured, murdered and all the other barbaric actions. Nine million people were murdered by Hitler over a five year period, vs 139,000 Palestinians over a 77 year period. I repeat, not comparable at all. Besides which the posts were started by people wanting to remember those who died as a result of the Holocaust (you know because it’s Holocaust Memorial Day…), and people should have respected that, and should have chosen to comment on the dozens of daily posts on Palestine instead of derailing the one day posting by others who want to show their respects.

The International Court of Justice made a ruling on 26th January 2024 demanding immediate action to protect Palestinians in Gaza from acts of genocide and risk of irreparable harm to their rights.

Twelve months on a recent survey of 35 aid agencies working in Gaza reveals that the provision of essentials like food, water, fuel, shelter and sanitation in Gaza fell well below the minimum required to sustain life for Palestinians in Gaza.

See press release link The word genocide is mentioned 3 times. https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/new-survey-reveals-extent-israels-failure-improve-humanitarian-access-gaza-year-icj

A survey estimated the population of Gaza at the end of 2024 to be 2.1 million. This cannot be explained as pushing people out of an area they ‘own’.

New survey reveals extent of Israel’s failure to improve humanitarian access in Gaza in the year since ICJ ruling | Oxfam International

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/new-survey-reveals-extent-israels-failure-improve-humanitarian-access-gaza-year-icj