To think that wolf whistling wasn't such a bad thing?

[NovemberMorn]

Joanna Lumley has just given an interview in which she says..."I never minded wolf whistling, I always thought it was tremendous".

She also said... "I think we were a little bit tougher then. Somebody put their hand on your leg, you didn’t feel affronted and report it. You’d give them a slap.”

Do you think she is right?

@fairycakes1234

I always acknowledge even if I was in the wrong which in this case I wasn't so sorry you had to troll all the way back, screenshot and it was the wrong post xx

You were wrong though.

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Not much chance, I should say, she's been insulting me for hours now, promising to leave then returning and has worked herself up a fair bit.

Anyway this is far better than any apology, I admit I like being proven right when I know I am right, and didn't even think about a screenshot.

And it didn't take long to 'scroll back' because I just did 'see all' on OP's posts and it was a pretty early one. OP aka @NovemberMorn!

I scrolled back because wanted to see where she said that and all I can see is tinman something commenting, can't see anywhere that novembermom mentioned children. That is the last thing now I'm going to say, and reason I'm saying it is because you'll love to think I scurried off, goodbye to the 2 of you because there seems to be just the 2 of you constantly posting. Take care and have a lovely evening xx

Once again, the OP said "girls" and girls means children.

You now know that as well as saying girls the OP was responding directly to a comment about a 14 year old child being street harassed and that therefore as well as the reality that girls means children, she did in fact mean a 14 year old child when she said "girls" in that reply.

It's very odd that you are constantly posting and then accusing people who are replying to you of constantly posting.

Isn't this like the 20th time you've said you're leaving? It's not an airport, no need to announce your departure.

If you're planning to stick around sticking to facts would be great though 👌

Ooh you are funny. You didn't need to scroll back, I screenshot it and tagged you. And you replied and acknowledged it, but (wrongly) thought OP wasn't @NovemberMorn despite that being her username throughout the entire thread and her being quoted multiple times.

You accused people of lying when they didn't. The mature thing to do would be to say oops I made a mistake, sorry.

Bizarre for an adult on an anonymous forum to prefer running away instead of just saying you got it wrong. Genuinely very odd!

The lyrics to the song Really Saying Something covered by Bananarama, sound a bit dodgy now😳

I've seen the video before and like you found it the least surprising thing I've ever watched. I honestly can't understand any woman looking at it and thinking that kind of behaviour, on any level, is ok.

@NovemberMorn @fairycakes1234 @aliceinawonderland

Genuinely, do you think this is harmless? Do you think she should experience this and not complain but 'move on' without giving it a second thought.
Do you think she should feel complimented by their attention?

Apologies only seeing this now as I had stopped watching, yes saw that video a few years ago, horrific, I'd say it's 10 times worse over there now, I was so lucky growing up in the 80s and 90s in Ireland, and tbh I am so grateful we live in Dublin, majority of dubliners are so friendly, no harresment, or threatending behaviour, you can't sit on the luas without someone sitting beside you and giving you their life stories and even food shopping and you end up striking up a conversation about which meat is the best. We live in an estate half hour from the city centre, my kids know everyone and always chatting away and I'm aware on how lucky wr are and yes, feel totally sorry for people that don't get to experience that x

Went and stayed in London with my cousin last year and couldn't believe the way noone interacted like that, I couldn't live like that, I like chatting and listening to people x

Yep, and this is totally normal and standard behaviour in all cities, predatory men predating on women is the standard everywhere.

But like I said all the way through, if these women enjoy creepy strange men making weird noises at them in public, they can do that.

What they cannot get away with doing is minimising the degradation and fear for other women and children. And that's really what the arguments are about.

One the one hand, manpandering handmaidens, on the other women who care about women and children. And never the twain shall meet.

Reading through the posts on here, It's ironic that a thread about harassment, you have continuously harassed other posters.

To the poster who posted the video above, no one should have to put up with that sort of harassment.
The topic was originally about wolf whistling, those men were up close to the woman, intimidating her and Verbally insulting her.
Disgusting behaviour.

Same here. Being friendly is a way of life to me too.

Final reminder, it's absolutely normal for predator men to target children and teenagers and is a well documented and historical problem.

As a northerner, being friendly to randoms is fine. Being harassed on the street is not.

Stop harassing me and other posters who care about women and children.

Yeah, that "always acknowledge when I am in the wrong" thing didn't last long 😎😋

I think it has been said throughout the thread, some women were not bothered by the odd wolf whistle, it was not threatening to them, it wasn't important.
Other women found it intimidating, so it's a good thing that on the whole, men have stopped it.
People see things diffently, depending on their own experiences.

And it is still so prevalent. It's just so sad. I am glad that least it is no longer acceptable, most decent people agree that street harassment is awful, predatory and very frightening behaviour for most women and children.

Historically, of course, women always hated street harassment, but there are always a few women who love men's attention and a male cookie more than they care about the fears of women and children.

Up to them if they enjoy that kind of creepy attention, but not at all up to them to minimise it for others.

I just wish it would die out altogether, but sadly we are not near that yet.

How is wolf whistling any different to comments (or cat calling or insults or following women) though? They're all predatory, objectifying, harassing behaviors done by men at women, in public spaces, to intimate them.

How have I harassed other posters?

The topic was about wolf whistling and inappropriate touch and slapping a man. You can’t get more up close than that,
The video also does show some men ‘just complimenting’ her. It’s all creepy.

She isn’t talking to you, its another poster 😊